RE: Batch closing of TPE related issues

David,

I believe OOBC and UGE are different things - UGE is very specific to DNT whereas OOBC may involve more and include DNT as well (site registration for example).  In this case, my goal is to allow the option for each of these preferences to be housed in a central location for easy user access and control.  The alternative is to house OOBC outside of the UGE container - meaning it'll be less persistent but also perhaps more difficult to find and manage.

- Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: David Singer [mailto:singer@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Shane Wiley
Cc: Rigo Wenning; public-tracking@w3.org; Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation); Rob van Eijk
Subject: Re: Batch closing of TPE related issues


On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:59 , Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

> Rigo,
> 
> Could you please opine on the proposal to allow OOBC to be recorded in the UGE registry with a pointer to the control mechanism?  

That's almost the definition of in-band exceptions, isn't it?

So, in both OO and IN band you start by informing the user, and getting their consent.

Then, for in-band exceptions you call the API.  For OOBE you remember it somehow.

In either case, the well-known resource 'edit' link should tell you how to manage the condition.


> This appears to be the middle ground that would give users a consolidated place to view exceptions/OOBC and have direct links to exercise their choices.  This is NOT equating UGE to OOBC - but does give users centralized control.  Thoughts?

What are the differences then in your mind between in-band (recorded using the exception API and signalled with DNT:0) and out-of-band, exceptions?

> 
> - Shane
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigo Wenning [mailto:rigo@w3.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:19 AM
> To: public-tracking@w3.org
> Cc: Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation); Rob van Eijk
> Subject: Re: Batch closing of TPE related issues
> 
> On Monday 10 June 2013 14:39:48 Matthias Schunter wrote:
>> Do I understand you correctly that
>> - you are concerned if UGEs are translated into out of band 
>> exceptions?
> 
> Matthias, have you ever tried to revoke your consent or to opt out of one of those ridiculous UK ICO cookie banners? 
> 
> I think that a UGE MUST NOT be translated into OOBC, a user MUST be able to revoke UGE by deleting the exception in the store. 
> 
> The whole point of DNT is a centralized opt-out in the browser. This means Shane's local duplication is meaningless. It may only serve as a memory for some historical state, but MUST NOT overwrite the status of the UGE store in the browser. Otherwise the exercise is futile because Johnny can't opt out anymore. 
> 
> --Rigo
> 
> 

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.

Received on Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:50:34 UTC