Re: DNT: Agenda for April 10 call

Thanks Sid. Your email cut off after "should not be tied to other" -- can
you complete that sentence?




On 4/11/13 10:16 AM, "Sid Stamm" <sid@mozilla.com> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Apologies for not joining the call this week, I got pulled into a
>face-to-face meeting and couldn't break away.
>
>On 4/10/13 9:19 AM, David Singer wrote:
>> I think this is much better.
>> 
>> I also appreciate that we should try not to use MUST for
>> non-testable considerations, to the greatest extent possible.
>
>I agree with both of these statements.
>
>The problem I think we're trying to solve is "correct preference
>solicitation".  I am encouraged by how Adrian's text covers both
>exceptions and the global settings in one package.
>
>Aside, regarding non-normative text -- I think Alan's proposed
>non-normative stuff was a reasonable block, though we should tweak it to
>encompass exceptions UI on web properties if we decide to include it.
>I'm not convinced it's absolutely crucial for inclusion, though, and it
>does make the document more complicated.  Mozilla published a field
>guide for DNT to aid in the practicalities of UI and implementation, and
>I anticipate others will probably do the same regardless of what the
>compliance doc says.
>
>Specific thoughts on Adrian's update:
>
>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 22:03 , Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> I offer the following text for consideration as an alternative to
>>>Alanšs proposal:
>>>  
>>> 5. User Preferences
>>> User agents and web sites MUST obtain express and informed consent
>>> when setting controls that affect the tracking preference
>>> expression. The controls MUST communicate the user's preference in
>>> accordance with the [TRACKING-DNT] recommendation.
>>>  
>>> User agents and web sites offering tracking preference choices to
>>> users MUST follow the following user interface guidelines:
>>> 1.     User agents and web sites are responsible for determining
>>> the user experience by which a tracking preference is controlled;
>>> 2.      User agents and web sites MUST ensure that tracking
>>> preference choices are communicated to users clearly and accurately
>>> and shown at the time and place the tracking preference choice is
>>> made available to a user;
>
>In the spirit of David Singer's comments about MUST, how do we test that
>the preference choices are clear and accurate?  (e.g., If "clear and
>accurate" means a paragraph of text in the browser settings, I'm
>concerned I will have trouble convincing our user experience designers
>it's a good idea.)  If the intent here is that the activation of DNT
>(and exceptions) should not be tied to other
>
>>> 3.      User agents and web sites SHOULD ensure that the tracking
>>> preference choices describe the parties to whom DNT applies and
>>> SHOULD make available explanatory text to provide more detailed
>>> information about DNT functionality.
>
>I like this revision as it doesn't tie the available information to a
>"link".
>
>-Sid
>
>

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