Re: DNT: Agenda for April 10 call

Hi All,

Apologies for not joining the call this week, I got pulled into a
face-to-face meeting and couldn't break away.

On 4/10/13 9:19 AM, David Singer wrote:
> I think this is much better.
> I also appreciate that we should try not to use MUST for
> non-testable considerations, to the greatest extent possible.

I agree with both of these statements.

The problem I think we're trying to solve is "correct preference
solicitation".  I am encouraged by how Adrian's text covers both
exceptions and the global settings in one package.

Aside, regarding non-normative text -- I think Alan's proposed
non-normative stuff was a reasonable block, though we should tweak it to
encompass exceptions UI on web properties if we decide to include it.
I'm not convinced it's absolutely crucial for inclusion, though, and it
does make the document more complicated.  Mozilla published a field
guide for DNT to aid in the practicalities of UI and implementation, and
I anticipate others will probably do the same regardless of what the
compliance doc says.

Specific thoughts on Adrian's update:

> On Apr 9, 2013, at 22:03 , Adrian Bateman <> wrote:
>> I offer the following text for consideration as an alternative to Alanís proposal:
>> 5. User Preferences
>> User agents and web sites MUST obtain express and informed consent
>> when setting controls that affect the tracking preference
>> expression. The controls MUST communicate the user's preference in
>> accordance with the [TRACKING-DNT] recommendation.
>> User agents and web sites offering tracking preference choices to
>> users MUST follow the following user interface guidelines:
>> 1.     User agents and web sites are responsible for determining
>> the user experience by which a tracking preference is controlled;
>> 2.      User agents and web sites MUST ensure that tracking
>> preference choices are communicated to users clearly and accurately
>> and shown at the time and place the tracking preference choice is
>> made available to a user;

In the spirit of David Singer's comments about MUST, how do we test that
the preference choices are clear and accurate?  (e.g., If "clear and
accurate" means a paragraph of text in the browser settings, I'm
concerned I will have trouble convincing our user experience designers
it's a good idea.)  If the intent here is that the activation of DNT
(and exceptions) should not be tied to other

>> 3.      User agents and web sites SHOULD ensure that the tracking
>> preference choices describe the parties to whom DNT applies and
>> SHOULD make available explanatory text to provide more detailed
>> information about DNT functionality.

I like this revision as it doesn't tie the available information to a


Received on Thursday, 11 April 2013 14:16:38 UTC