agenda: 13 June 1012 call

Chair:		Aleecia
Main topic:	Guest speaker on new Dutch law, finally getting to "collection" agenda item. We may have a short call since we are meeting in person next week.

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Administrative
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1. Selection of scribe

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Old business
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2.  Review of overdue action items:  https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/overdue

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New business
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3.   Quick check that callers are identified

4.   Reminder: 	Last chance for registration (https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/49311/tpwg-belle-f2f/)

5.   Frederik Zuiderveen Borgesius will summarize the Netherlands' telecom law as it pertains to us, and take a few questions. This is notably different from the UK approach.

6.   Roy has proposed a new text for what "collection" should mean (action-166). Rather than:
		A party collects data if the data comes within its control.
		A party retains data if the data remains within the party's control.

	Roy proposes (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012May/0282.html): 
		Data collection" (for the purpose of DNT) is the process of assembling data from or about one or more network interactions and retaining/sharing that data beyond the scope of responding to the current request or in a form that remains linkable to a specific user, user agent, or device.

	David proposes 
		1. "is exposed to": data that the service sees without taking any specific action,usually, the data arrives whether the service wanted it or not;
		2. "collects": the service takes specific action to acquire the data;
		3. "retains": the service holds the data after the immediate transaction is complete;

	Step 0: discussion of why the current split between "collects" and "retains" is insufficient. It may be that what we are really after here is replacing several occurrences of "collects" with "retains" but the current definitions are fine. I am reluctant to re-open this discussion until I have a better understanding of why there is a problem. (Yes, Roy, I have read your messages -- I am not seeing why you think "collects" is far away from a normal meaning when it appears far closer than the definition you suggest, which seems more like an attempt to define the scope of DNT than to define collection. It is likely I am missing something, so talking on the call will be useful.)

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7. Announce next meeting & adjourn

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