- From: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:56:05 -0800
- To: Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>
- Cc: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>, David Singer <singer@apple.com>
- Message-Id: <56016D8F-1FF8-42E8-97B7-9072710E3DE3@consumerwatchdog.org>
I agree with your understanding of the meaning of exempt and exception. Nonetheless I'd be reluctant to say 1st parties are "exempt" from the DNT signal; they do have obligations. "Generally exempt" may be technically correct, but that usage may confuse things. Better to spell out the obligations, I think: Can't share data with 1st parties, etc. On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Shane Wiley wrote: > I thought just the opposite. > > To be "exempt" from a rule means the rule never touches you. > > An "exception" to the rule would mean the rule would typically apply but in this case there is an "exception". > > In our context: > > 1st parties are generally "exempt" from the DNT signal (and cannot share data with 3rd parties as a loop-hole to the exemption). > > 3rd parties generally must not collect data when the DNT:1 signal is present but there are a few operational "exceptions" to this rule. > > - Shane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rigo Wenning [mailto:rigo@w3.org] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:35 AM > To: public-tracking@w3.org > Cc: David Singer > Subject: Re: Exemptions and Exceptions...? > > David, > > I learned the distinction like this: > > general rule vs exception > > a general obligation to do vs exemption > > so: no obligation, no exemption > but: a rule can create an obligation and the exemption would be an exception > to that rule. > > The first pair is more generic to me than the second pair.. > > But I'm not a native speaker... > > Best, > > Rigo > > On Monday 30 January 2012 15:19:06 David Singer wrote: >> This was raised briefly in conversation in Brussels. >> >> Our documents and discussions use both words (Exemptions and Exceptions). I >> think Aleecia has a clear idea of their difference, but I know we don't all >> share that clarity because I, at least, do not :-). >> >> In my understanding, 'exemption' says that the requirements of our >> specification do not apply to some class of services . An exception would >> be when the specification applies, but some class of services are excepted >> from some of the requirements. >> >> Example from taxation: some goods in the UK are exempt from Value Added >> Tax; the tax is inapplicable. Some goods are zero-rated for Value Added >> Tax: they are subject to it in theory, but have an exception and are >> currently untaxed. >> >> >> I'm not sure we have many 'exempt' classes (services that, receiving a DNT >> signal, can ignore it, as it doesn't apply to them). I think we mostly >> have exceptions. >> >> >> Aleecia, others, could you help clear my mind (and maybe others') on this? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> David Singer >> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > > ---------- John M. Simpson Consumer Advocate Consumer Watchdog 1750 Ocean Park Blvd. ,Suite 200 Santa Monica, CA,90405 Tel: 310-392-7041 Cell: 310-292-1902 www.ConsumerWatchdog.org john@consumerwatchdog.org
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