- From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:28:06 -0800
- To: Lee Tien <tien@eff.org>
- Cc: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>, "<public-tracking@w3.org>" <public-tracking@w3.org>
On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:01 , Lee Tien wrote: > I agree with Bjorn's point, which I take is simply: there are highly relevant differences among widgets (re consumer expectations) and one such is the widget's self-proclaimed consumer-facing purpose. By default, Facebook or Twitter is about social in a way that a weather or map widget is not. and also, at least the user is aware that they are telling Facebook something when they click on a FB 'like' button. They may be completely unaware (and probably are) that they are telling MapQuest something when they click on a map widget, especially if the clicking results only in local changes to the page they are looking at. Maybe there is something about 'evident branding' needed here? > > Lee > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net> wrote: > >> * Shane Wiley wrote: >>> I believe when users click on the FB "Like" button they every >>> expectation this is going to set the "Like" for that particular item on >>> their Facebook page. Do you have information suggesting users that >>> click on the FB Like button do not have this expectation? >> >> It does not seem to matter much whether Facebook is first or third party >> in this particular scenario, a user who understands the "like button" is >> really asking Facebook to log that they visited this site and when and >> so on. A better example would be a third party map service. It does not >> seem very plausible that the map service provider would be third party >> on load but when the user zooms or pans a little bit it suddenly becomes >> first party and the user expects this somehow. >> >> I just loaded a random hotel web site that embeds a Google Maps widget; >> there is no indication that this is some kind of third party service at >> all, the map just has a footer with "POWERED BY Google Map data ©2011 >> Cybercity, GeoBasis-DE/BKG (©2009), Google, LGV Hamburg - Terms of Use". >> Who would be running this? Google, Cybercity, the BKG (a federal office) >> or the LGV Hamburg (a state authority)? Is Automattic, Inc. monitoring >> all visits to "Powered by WordPress" blogs? The Wikimedia Foundation all >> visits to "Powered by MediaWiki" wikis? >> >> What about YouTube videos? If you click the YouTube logo, you will be >> taken to the YouTube web site and YouTube becomes first party. But if >> you just click the play button... YouTube also becomes first party and >> may compile a profile about you including all the sites where you might >> be watching videos, despite your browser telling YouTube you do not want >> to be tracked, if that is still why first versus third party matters? >> And YouTube, LLC may then share the data with Google, Inc.? I would not >> expect that. >> -- >> Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de >> Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de >> 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ >> > David Singer Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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