Re: [TalentSignal] Suggested first actions

There are a collection of requirements, responsibilities, skills, titles,
etc that are associated with a job position that are fields in a JobPosting
object that would be of use in describing roles in a project and roles in
an organization independent of hiring. A person doesn't hold a JobPosting
(maybe in the military they do) in an organization or project, so it
doesn't semantically fit at the moment.

Creating JobPosition, which takes the fields for describing requirements,
responsibilities, skills, titles, etc, from JobPosting and then having
JobPosting extend JobPosition would allow something that isn't possible at
the moment without misusing JobPosting:

Job Positions to be described in organizations or projects independent of a
specific job opening that is described on a recruitment board.

ex: The Job Position of Ambulance Driver requires X credential and Y skills
and confers Z title.
ex2: The Job Posting for Ambulance Driver is a copy of (or links to) the
Job Position object, and also includes salary expectations, the hiring
organization, etc.

Perhaps the better route is to extend EmployeeRole with this information...
which seems to be an orphan object. But as it stands, a Person is hired,
and that has a JobPosting, and then they exist in an Organization, but
there isn't any effective way to describe what they do or could do within
an organization without using JobPosting.

<Organization> role <JobPosting>
<JobPosition> name "Ambulance Driver"
<JobPosition> skill <Ambulance Drive Competency>
<JobPosting> extends or is about <JobPosition>
<JobPosting> baseSalary 40,000
<JobPosting> datePosted 2019-04-17

Something like that. There's another gap where it is currently difficult to
describe that a person is performing a role as an employee in an
organization, but lets start here.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:50 AM Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Fritz, can you be a bit more specific about bullet 2? I don't understand
> the scenario or your suggested solution.
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 AM Fritz Ray <fritley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Scoping questions -- let me know if you've already discussed them, as I
>> just joined the group and haven't been very involved in the JDX:
>>
>>    - Uber, Taskrabbit, classified ads, and other areas of work have
>>    popped up that are "single-task jobs" -- Gigs. Gigs appear to be getting
>>    more popular over time and have some differences: They also tend to be more
>>    like a service with a fixed payment. Should we attempt to scope those into
>>    this work, either as an object or just as a usage profile?
>>    - Similarly, Positions in a company, nonprofit, club, project, or
>>    other work-oriented roles also exist that represent working in an
>>    organization distinct from compensation.. Pushing down some of the fields
>>    of JobPosting (responsibilities, skills, title, relevant occupation, etc)
>>    into a JobPosition base class will yield benefits through reuse here, and
>>    could help define roles or positions (filled or unfilled) in Organizations
>>    that then serve as a base for generating JobPosting objects.
>>
>> Those are the itches I've had when I've used JobPosting and other objects
>> to represent in schema.org how work is done.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:45 AM Merrilea Mayo <merrileamayo@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just got off a videoconference with some folks at ESCO, the European
>>> skills & occupation taxonomy effort.  I think bullet number 1 is going to
>>> be important to address, and the other bullet seems like an obvious nee as
>>> well.  I'm in agreement.
>>> On 4/17/2019 10:16 AM, Stuart Sutton wrote:
>>>
>>> Phil, I think the two immediate actions to try and hit the next release
>>> are a good place to start.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:36 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I have set up a wiki for the Talent Signal community group
>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Main_Page>. You
>>>> should all have edit access when logged in to your W3C account.
>>>>
>>>> I have copied to the wiki most of the content from the Google doc on possible
>>>> requirements for job descriptions
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SfB2d-CkxrbfOJJPcBjb_etGJJ0_Rk9ELpqsQx5QwKA/edit#heading=h.52xm8fh2jw5g>
>>>> that I circulated last month. That content is now here:
>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that we pick a few of the issues on that page and try to
>>>> address them in time for the next release of schema.org (due May 1).
>>>> We should chose some which seem relatively significant but easy. I think
>>>> these are good candidates:
>>>>
>>>>    - occupationalCategory definition requires O*Net-SOC taxonomy,
>>>>    which is too prescriptive & US-centric. See also issue 2192 and PR 2207
>>>>    which adds CategoryCode to range of occupationalCategory.
>>>>    - Should be able to provide start date for job (see issue 1829
>>>>    point 10)
>>>>
>>>>     (see wiki for relevant links)
>>>>
>>>> *Please indicate *(by reply to this email) whether you think these are
>>>> a reasonable choice and whether you would add any others. After Easter we
>>>> can look at suggested changes to propose to schema.org.
>>>>
>>>> Also please suggest any changes to the wiki by way of new use cases,
>>>> refinements to the existing text, clarifications etc. either by email if
>>>> there needs to be discussion or by fixing what is on the wiki if there is a
>>>> clear error.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Phil
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