Re: Special Topic Call - Social Web and CSAM: Liabilities and Tooling

Hi Rabble,
Yes, we'll do our best to record the call and publish it on the list & repo!

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 4:44 AM evan <anarchogeek@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a chance that a recording could be made? The call is scheduled
> for 1am on Saturday morning in New Zealand.
>
> thanks,
> rabble
>
>
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>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:39 AM Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> wrote:
>
>> The report, Child Safety on Federated Social Media
>> <https://purl..stanford.edu/vb515nd6874>, mentions the CyberTipline API
>> <https://report.cybertip.org/ispws/documentation/> of the US-based National
>> Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC)
>> <https://www.missingkids.org/> and suggests that it would be useful to
>> provide mechanisms to make it easier to file reports using that API. (See
>> page 11) US law apparently requires such reports by providers of electronic
>> communication services or remote computing services. (See: 18 USC 2258A
>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A>). Also, US law
>> requires that the NCMEC forward reports to appropriate Federal, State, or
>> foreign authorities. The NCMEC says that during 2021, they sent 75,000+
>> take-down notices to companies and that the average time to remove
>> offending media was 27 hours. (See: Link
>> <https://www.missingkids.org/gethelpnow/isyourexplicitcontentoutthere#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20we%20sent%2075%2C000%2B%20notices%20to%20companies.%20On%20average%2C%20images%20were%20taken%20down%20within%2027%20hours.%C2%A0>)
>> I can't find any statement concerning the number of reports NCMEC made to
>> law enforcement agencies.
>>
>> Some questions that might be addressed during the call, or in email prior
>> to it:
>>
>>    - Are operators of ActivityPub instances considered to be "providers
>>    of electronic communication services or remote computing services" who, if
>>    in the USA, have a legal obligation to make reports to the NCMEC?
>>    - Do laws in other nations require CSAM reporting and/or establish
>>    organizations like the NCMEC to receive such reports?
>>    - Are there any other US or non-US laws that might require
>>    ActivityPub instance operators to make reports of other kinds of illegal
>>    speech?
>>    - Have any operators of ActivityPub services received NCMEC take-down
>>    notices? Is this a common, or an unusual event?
>>    - Have any users of ActivityPub services been prosecuted for
>>    distributing CSAM via ActivityPub? If so, were any of them as a result of
>>    reports to NCMEC?
>>    - Does anyone know if NCMEC reports are required for
>>    computer-generated media that does not depict actual children? (i.e.
>>    CG-CSAM)
>>    - If the operators of an instance did, in fact, make a practice of
>>    filing NCMEC or similar reports, would it be useful to announce this on
>>    their site? If so, would it be useful to define some standard means by
>>    which instance operators could announce that they do so? (e.g. Some site
>>    metadata, standard badge, etc?)
>>    - The 25 Mastodon instances studied in the report included Japanese
>>    instances which are known to carry lots of CSAM. How much of a problem is
>>    CSAM on non-Japanese instances?
>>
>> bob wyman
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 12:48 PM Dmitri Zagidulin <dzagidulin@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> In light of the recent report Addressing Child Exploitation on
>>> Federated Social Media
>>> <https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/addressing-child-exploitation-federated-social-media> and
>>> the many important resulting conversations (such as this megathread
>>> <https://mastodon.social/@det@hachyderm.io/110782896576855419>),
>>> SWITCH would like to host a Special Topic Call on "Social Web and CSAM:
>>> Liabilities and Tooling", this coming Friday, August 4th, 2023, at 9am
>>> Eastern / 6am Pacific / 3pm CET, at:
>>>
>>> https://meet.jit.si/social-web-cg
>>>
>>> We're very excited to be joined by special guests, David Thiel and Alex
>>> Stamos, from the Stanford Internet Observatory!
>>>
>>> The Chairs
>>>
>>