RE: Contd: SWEO Messaging

-----Original Message-----
From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen


> So, how do we get this stuff onto something user friendly where people can
> edit? 

Paul,

We already have ESW Wiki [1] as a great repository :-) My only little 
gripe is the lack of RSS feeds re. content.

[PW] This isn't user friendly enough. Compare it to www.microformats.org -
it leads to a wiki where appropriate but we need a user friendly/accessible
UI. A site based on Wordpress would be easy and would also allow end users
to comment/contribute on a blog - this could include plugins to enable
tracking, trackbacks, rss, bookmarking... Thoughts? It's very Web 2.0 ;) 

Reading on, it's something we should consider... a wiki alone is horrible to
be frank (or Paul). 

If we do want to go down other routes I can easily make an instance of 
OpenLink Data Spaces (ODS) [2] available to SWEO. This will give us the 
following:

1. Wiki (Twiki or MediaWiki markup), Weblog (support all publishing 
protocols & APIs), Shared Bookmarks (integrates with del.icio.us and 
XBEL), Discussion
    Forum (NNTP based), File Server (WebDAV based), Photo Gallery (works 
with Flickr) in one place

2. All the content will automatically be projected  as RDF (physical and 
virtual) Instance Data based on the SIOC (Semantically-Interlinked 
Online Communities)
    Ontology [3]

3. RSS (1.0 / 2.0), Atom, OPML, XBEL, and other syndication formats

4. A SPARQL Endpoint for querying the data as part of the demo 
construction effort (for instance, it works great of the bat with 
Tabulator, PiggBank,
    Pingthesemanticweb, Semantic Radar, DOAP Directory, FOAFMap.net and 
other Semantic Web demos)

5. OpenID that doubles as a Personal URI associated with your ODS account

6. Automatic pinging to: del.icio.us, Technorati (major Web 2.0 zone), 
Pingthesemnticweb.com, weblogs.com (major Web 2.0 zone), and other 
notification services.

**Full Disclosure**:

ODS is an Open Source product offering from OpenLink Software. My offer 
isn't one of those traps that end up locking your data etc.. If for 
whatever reasons ODS doesn't meet the needs of SWEO, you will never lose 
the ability to migrate the existing data elsewhere (or reference said 
data via URIs from elsewhere)  due to the fact that the data is totally 
exportable using any of the syndication and data interchange standards 
mentioned above :-)

The aforementioned ODS instance can also simply co-exist with ESW Wiki 
and other efforts towards distributed collaboration re. SWEO. At the end 
of the day this is ultimately about federation and collaboration, the 
very essence of the Web :-)

Links:

1.  http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage (ESW Wiki)

2.  http://myopenlink.net:8890/ods (live instance of ODS available to 
SWEO, just sign-up)

3. http://sioc-project.org/ (SIOC Project)

4. http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/wiki/main/Main/ODSSIOCRef (examples of 
SPARQL Queries against SIOC instance data from ODS)

5. http://myopenlink.net:8890/sparql/ (SPARQL Access Point for Live ODS 
Instance)

6. http://myopenlink.net:8890/isparql/ (a Work In Progress Ajax based 
Visual QBE for SPARQL; note this is a work in progress that changes on a 
daily basis etc..)


Kingsley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
> Sent: 05 December 2006 05:08
> To: 'W3C SWEO IG'
> Subject: Contd: SWEO Messaging
>
>
> All,
>
> I think we have broad agreement that we need to get the message straight 
> (which safely assumes we are done with matters relating to Model and 
> Serialization format for the most part). On that note, I would like to 
> address some of other questions posed by Paul Walsh:
>
> Question: Is SWEO targeting a technical audience?
>
> Answer (IMHO): No
>
> Question: How do I benefit from "The Semantic Web" or "A Semantic Web"?
>
> Answer: In a variety of ways depending on your immediate paint points or 
> challenge areas:
>
> Web Developer or User: It exposes the Database aspect of the Web via a 
> flexible Data Model.
>
> Enterprise Developer or User: It enables you to make better use of 
> heterogeneous data sources when developing or deploying Web solutions.
>
> Database Vendor and Enterprise Architect: It provides a plausible 
> solution to the age-old integration challenges associated with 
> heterogeneous databases and associated schemas.
>
> Question: Are there any simple examples of use case scenarios for each 
> of the above?
>
> Answer: Yes, along the following lines:
>
> Web Developer & User:
> You are already exploiting the collaborative prowess of Weblogs, Wikis, 
> Discussion Forums, Mailing Lists etc. And of late, you've  started to 
> experience and exploit the value of social-networks.  Unfortunately,  
> access to the underlying data in the aforementioned realms at the 
> current time is challenging even though said interaction should be 
> natural. The current excitement associated with Mashups is an expression 
> of the natural desire to combine data from a myriad of diverse web data 
> sources, but the actual process is somewhat unnatural due to the current 
> state of Web Data (hence the term: Mashup).  The Semantic Web is about 
> adding a dexterous Data Model and other complimentary technology layers 
> to the existing Web so that "Open Data Access" and "Data Joining or 
> Recombination" become natural parts of the web experience.
>
> Pain Alleviation Examples:
>
> - Shouldn't you be able to query your collection of RSS or Atom Feeds 
> for posts that reference Items your deep but rarely visited Bookmark 
> database? Likewise
>   why shouldn't you be able to locate all commentary from your preferred 
> sources about active and relevant discussions such as Web 2.0 vs Web 
> 3.0, for instance?
>   Do  you really have to troll through your deep Bookmarks database and 
> vast collections of  Feeds each time you seek insights from  data 
> residing in these personal
>   or shared data repositories when a simple query may suffice?
>
> -  You are planning to buy a Digial Camera for Xmas, and you would like 
> to acquire the same, or similar, Camera used in a particular collection 
> of photos that you stumbled upon on Flickr. In addition, since Flickr is 
> such a huge collections of Photos, should you not be able to quickly 
> determine from the Flickr Data Source which cameras are the most 
> commonly used at the current time?
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice, when reading your email (e.g. Gmail, Yahoo!, or 
> others),  if you were able to see related items from your preferred 
> collection of web data sources instead of, or in addition to,  keyword 
> driven Ads? For instance related discussions associated with  keywords, 
> phrases, and concepts that you've tagged as important.
>
>
> Enterprise Developer and User:
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if you could effectively identify existing and 
> burgeoning bastions of knowledge across your enterprise before it's too 
> later? For instance,  a member of staff who has a growing Blog, Wiki, 
> Mailing List etc. readership and following as  result of his/her 
> insights across a myriad of relevant subjects.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if you could homogenize the disparate schemas and 
> data sources associated with your mission critical eCRM, HR, Accounting, 
> and other applications en route to developing a truly valuable 360 
> degree view of the enterprise?
>
> Database Vendor and Information Architect:
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if you could develop and deploy technology 
> infrastructure for making all of the above a reality?
>
> Sidebar Comment:
> Social Networking is a great example of the RDF Graph Data Model, but at 
> the current time, most Social Networking solutions aren't actually 
> running atop a complimentary Graph Data Models (most are on top of 
> Relational Databases) which makes it difficult for the Social Networking 
> solutions providers to envisage business models that co-exist with Open 
> Social Networks or deliver solutions that facilitate deep graph(s) 
> traversal.  
>
> Anyway, that's my dump for now.
>
>   


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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com






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