Re: Contd: SWEO Messaging

On 5/12/06 14:17, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

> 
> Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
>> Brilliant stuff - lots of good working examples for different people.
>> 
>> So, how do we get this stuff onto something user friendly where people can
>> edit? A site based on wordpress that includes a wiki would be ideal?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Paul
>>   
> 
> Paul,
> 
> We already have ESW Wiki [1] as a great repository :-) My only little
> gripe is the lack of RSS feeds re. content.

That's quite a failing, isn't it?

> 
> If we do want to go down other routes I can easily make an instance of
> OpenLink Data Spaces (ODS) [2] available to SWEO. This will give us the
> following:
> 
> 1. Wiki (Twiki or MediaWiki markup), Weblog (support all publishing
> protocols & APIs), Shared Bookmarks (integrates with del.icio.us and
> XBEL), Discussion
>     Forum (NNTP based), File Server (WebDAV based), Photo Gallery (works
> with Flickr) in one place
> 
> 2. All the content will automatically be projected  as RDF (physical and
> virtual) Instance Data based on the SIOC (Semantically-Interlinked
> Online Communities)
>     Ontology [3]
> 
> 3. RSS (1.0 / 2.0), Atom, OPML, XBEL, and other syndication formats
> 
> 4. A SPARQL Endpoint for querying the data as part of the demo
> construction effort (for instance, it works great of the bat with
> Tabulator, PiggBank,
>     Pingthesemanticweb, Semantic Radar, DOAP Directory, FOAFMap.net and
> other Semantic Web demos)
> 
> 5. OpenID that doubles as a Personal URI associated with your ODS account
> 
> 6. Automatic pinging to: del.icio.us, Technorati (major Web 2.0 zone),
> Pingthesemnticweb.com, weblogs.com (major Web 2.0 zone), and other
> notification services.
> 
> **Full Disclosure**:
> 
> ODS is an Open Source product offering from OpenLink Software. My offer
> isn't one of those traps that end up locking your data etc.. If for
> whatever reasons ODS doesn't meet the needs of SWEO, you will never lose
> the ability to migrate the existing data elsewhere (or reference said
> data via URIs from elsewhere)  due to the fact that the data is totally
> exportable using any of the syndication and data interchange standards
> mentioned above :-)
> 
> The aforementioned ODS instance can also simply co-exist with ESW Wiki
> and other efforts towards distributed collaboration re. SWEO. At the end
> of the day this is ultimately about federation and collaboration, the
> very essence of the Web :-)
> 
> Links:
> 
> 1.  http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage (ESW Wiki)
> 
> 2.  http://myopenlink.net:8890/ods (live instance of ODS available to
> SWEO, just sign-up)
> 
> 3. http://sioc-project.org/ (SIOC Project)
> 
> 4. http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/wiki/main/Main/ODSSIOCRef (examples of
> SPARQL Queries against SIOC instance data from ODS)
> 
> 5. http://myopenlink.net:8890/sparql/ (SPARQL Access Point for Live ODS
> Instance)
> 
> 6. http://myopenlink.net:8890/isparql/ (a Work In Progress Ajax based
> Visual QBE for SPARQL; note this is a work in progress that changes on a
> daily basis etc..)
> 
> 
> Kingsley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
>> On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
>> Sent: 05 December 2006 05:08
>> To: 'W3C SWEO IG'
>> Subject: Contd: SWEO Messaging
>> 
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I think we have broad agreement that we need to get the message straight
>> (which safely assumes we are done with matters relating to Model and
>> Serialization format for the most part). On that note, I would like to
>> address some of other questions posed by Paul Walsh:
>> 
>> Question: Is SWEO targeting a technical audience?
>> 
>> Answer (IMHO): No
>> 
>> Question: How do I benefit from "The Semantic Web" or "A Semantic Web"?
>> 
>> Answer: In a variety of ways depending on your immediate paint points or
>> challenge areas:
>> 
>> Web Developer or User: It exposes the Database aspect of the Web via a
>> flexible Data Model.
>> 
>> Enterprise Developer or User: It enables you to make better use of
>> heterogeneous data sources when developing or deploying Web solutions.
>> 
>> Database Vendor and Enterprise Architect: It provides a plausible
>> solution to the age-old integration challenges associated with
>> heterogeneous databases and associated schemas.
>> 
>> Question: Are there any simple examples of use case scenarios for each
>> of the above?
>> 
>> Answer: Yes, along the following lines:
>> 
>> Web Developer & User:
>> You are already exploiting the collaborative prowess of Weblogs, Wikis,
>> Discussion Forums, Mailing Lists etc. And of late, you've  started to
>> experience and exploit the value of social-networks.  Unfortunately,
>> access to the underlying data in the aforementioned realms at the
>> current time is challenging even though said interaction should be
>> natural. The current excitement associated with Mashups is an expression
>> of the natural desire to combine data from a myriad of diverse web data
>> sources, but the actual process is somewhat unnatural due to the current
>> state of Web Data (hence the term: Mashup).  The Semantic Web is about
>> adding a dexterous Data Model and other complimentary technology layers
>> to the existing Web so that "Open Data Access" and "Data Joining or
>> Recombination" become natural parts of the web experience.
>> 
>> Pain Alleviation Examples:
>> 
>> - Shouldn't you be able to query your collection of RSS or Atom Feeds
>> for posts that reference Items your deep but rarely visited Bookmark
>> database? Likewise
>>   why shouldn't you be able to locate all commentary from your preferred
>> sources about active and relevant discussions such as Web 2.0 vs Web
>> 3.0, for instance?
>>   Do  you really have to troll through your deep Bookmarks database and
>> vast collections of  Feeds each time you seek insights from  data
>> residing in these personal
>>   or shared data repositories when a simple query may suffice?
>> 
>> -  You are planning to buy a Digial Camera for Xmas, and you would like
>> to acquire the same, or similar, Camera used in a particular collection
>> of photos that you stumbled upon on Flickr. In addition, since Flickr is
>> such a huge collections of Photos, should you not be able to quickly
>> determine from the Flickr Data Source which cameras are the most
>> commonly used at the current time?
>> 
>> - Wouldn't it be nice, when reading your email (e.g. Gmail, Yahoo!, or
>> others),  if you were able to see related items from your preferred
>> collection of web data sources instead of, or in addition to,  keyword
>> driven Ads? For instance related discussions associated with  keywords,
>> phrases, and concepts that you've tagged as important.
>> 
>> 
>> Enterprise Developer and User:
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be nice if you could effectively identify existing and
>> burgeoning bastions of knowledge across your enterprise before it's too
>> later? For instance,  a member of staff who has a growing Blog, Wiki,
>> Mailing List etc. readership and following as  result of his/her
>> insights across a myriad of relevant subjects.
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be nice if you could homogenize the disparate schemas and
>> data sources associated with your mission critical eCRM, HR, Accounting,
>> and other applications en route to developing a truly valuable 360
>> degree view of the enterprise?
>> 
>> Database Vendor and Information Architect:
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be nice if you could develop and deploy technology
>> infrastructure for making all of the above a reality?
>> 
>> Sidebar Comment:
>> Social Networking is a great example of the RDF Graph Data Model, but at
>> the current time, most Social Networking solutions aren't actually
>> running atop a complimentary Graph Data Models (most are on top of
>> Relational Databases) which makes it difficult for the Social Networking
>> solutions providers to envisage business models that co-exist with Open
>> Social Networks or deliver solutions that facilitate deep graph(s)
>> traversal.  
>> 
>> Anyway, that's my dump for now.
>> 
>>   
> 

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