Re: regarding the reviews of "cool uris for the semantic web"

Hi Michael, Thomas,

It was Thomas Baker who said at the right time 27.09.2007 15:40 the 
following words:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:26:07PM +0200, Hausenblas, Michael wrote:
>   
>> Tom, I don't know how you see this issue, but IIRC we spent quite
>> a time at the telecon to go through the reviews; further, I think we 
>> (Ed, Vit, and myself) gave quite clear comments on the editorial level.
>> So, Leo, I don't really see what we can do more here, other than suggesting
>> what we have done, so far ...
>>     
>
> What we do not currently have is a consolidated document that
> has been discussed and approved as a working group.
>   
and based on the feedback I can only guess which e-mails and comments 
are valid and which not.
We would like to limit ourself to answer issues raised by SWD members, 
the mailinglist is open to the public, so I cannot judge (as outsider) 
what is now SWD concern and what not :-)

> We agreed on alot of the issues in the telecon, but I don't
> think we formulated a clear position on what the authors
> should do about some of the recommendations -- e.g., to what
> extent the document must or should describe or acknowledge
> the role of other types of "GRDDLable" documents.
>   
> One way to do this would be to approve something like [1] --
> either on the next call or in Amsterdam.  (I quickly cobbled
> this together from the reviews and would appreciate if someone
> would volunteer to take it from here.)
>   
perfect, that is very good input.

> Tom
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ReviewCoolURIs
>
>   
>> The most important question to me still is (even though I understand
>> that you are not going to make the changes right now): Which issues exactly
>> do you plan to address? Ed and I very clearly suggested to look at 
>> XHTML + RDFa issues and it was Ralph in the telecon
>> who suggested to generalise this issue to 'GRDDLable documents',
>> which - btw - I very much support :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> 	Michael
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>  Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
>>  Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
>>  JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
>>   
>>  http://www.joanneum.at/iis/
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>  
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org 
>>> [mailto:public-swd-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Leo Sauermann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:35 PM
>>> To: Thomas Baker
>>> Cc: Max Völkel; Richard Cyganiak; 'Susie Stephens'; Ivan 
>>> Herman; Guus Schreiber; Ralph Swick; public-swd-wg@w3.org
>>> Subject: Re: regarding the reviews of "cool uris for the semantic web"
>>>
>>> Hi Thomas, SWD,
>>>
>>> This is a short answer to a longer mail (see below).
>>>
>>> Thanks again for taking your time reviewing the document.
>>>
>>> As suggested by Thomas, I would prefer letting you have the 
>>> time to briefly discuss this on the 8-9th October F2F in 
>>> Amsterdam (wishing you a productive meeting!), summing up the 
>>> SWD findings towards SWEO's "Cool Uris for the Semantic Web". 
>>> No hurry, things take time.
>>>
>>> We are already reading the reviews, but they are many and we 
>>> wait until all proposed changes are collected (TimBl and the 
>>> TAG have also given some feedback in other mails). 
>>>
>>> best
>>> Leo
>>>
>>> It was Thomas Baker who said at the right time 26.09.2007 
>>> 20:50 the following words: 
>>>
>>> 		Hi Tom,
>>> 		(please forward to SWD
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	Hi Leo,
>>> 	
>>> 	I'm Cc'ing to Guus and Ralph...  Our emails crossed, because we
>>> 	were just preparing a "note from SWD to SWEO" with a digest
>>> 	of reviews and links to discussion, but I see you have already
>>> 	read the reviews, so perhaps we should just skip that step
>>> 	and forge ahead...
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>> 		I am referring to "[ALL] Review requested for 
>>> "Cool URIs""
>>> 		
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0020.html
>>> 		
>>> 		Thanks for reviewing the document, the feedback 
>>> is much needed and its 
>>> 		also good that you (the SWD) is now aware of 
>>> this text and you can think 
>>> 		about reusing it for your own needs.
>>> 		
>>> 		I noticed several reviews via e-mail on the SWD 
>>> mailing list, and many 
>>> 		good ideas how to improve.
>>> 		
>>> 		I want to keep the document as minimal as 
>>> possible, it is meant to be an 
>>> 		introduction for newbies how to mint useful 
>>> URIs for use in Semantic Web 
>>> 		applications, so we will integrate the reviews 
>>> that make the document 
>>> 		more readable, but we will not give a solution 
>>> for every problem (the 
>>> 		document sums up existing best practice and TAG 
>>> decisions, it does not 
>>> 		describe new solutions).
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	Right - we were well aware of this point in our discussion
>>> 	(i.e. scoping the discussion to existing practice and TAG
>>> 	decisions).
>>> 	
>>> 	I also appreciate the bias towards keeping the document simple.
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>> 		as with good software: Software is not done 
>>> when you stop adding 
>>> 		features, its done when all needed features are there.
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	+1
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>> 		Could the SWD send me, at some point in time, 
>>> an e-mail saying something 
>>> 		like:
>>> 		
>>> 		"the SWD reviewed the document and we think 
>>> these points need to be changed:
>>> 		wrong information (errors, wrong interpretation 
>>> of W3C decisions):
>>> 		A, B, C
>>> 		these points may be done to make the document 
>>> more readable:
>>> 		D, E, F"
>>> 		
>>> 		That would help us to know what we must do. If 
>>> not, we would at least 
>>> 		need a list of e-mails with issues we definitly 
>>> need to include.
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	We have a face-to-face meeting coming up on 8-9 October in
>>> 	Amsterdam, and we have just one telecon between now and then,
>>> 	so if SWD is to formulate a common position, then practically
>>> 	speaking this would mean discussing it in Amsterdam.
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>> 		(please forward to SWD
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	Actually, non-WG-members can post to the list simply by
>>> 	sending mail to public-swd-wg@w3.org (they just cannot
>>> 	subscribe to the list). I am told that, in a situation like
>>> 	this, cross-posting is actually encouraged, so perhaps you
>>> 	could simply post your reactions to the reviews directly and
>>> 	we can take it from there.
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>> 		The topic is biased, subjective, and was the 
>>> topic of heated discussions 
>>> 		on the typical mailinglists, so we already did 
>>> not integrate all 
>>> 		feedback we had so far, we really want to focus 
>>> on the important things 
>>> 		now (factual errors) and get the document out soon.
>>> 		
>>> 		When we have the feedback, Richard Cyganiak, 
>>> Max Völkel and I will 
>>> 		change the document and SWEO will publish it.
>>> 		Publishing is expected to be ~1.November.
>>> 		    
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	If we were to discuss this 8-9 October, you would have feedback
>>> 	soon thereafter, which would fit with the proposed schedule.
>>> 	
>>> 	Tom
>>> 	
>>> 	  
>>>
>>>
>>>
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