- From: Guus Schreiber <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>
- Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:04:55 +0100
- To: Alan Rector <rector@cs.man.ac.uk>
- CC: swbp <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Alan Rector wrote: > All > > Given the number of notes, naming histories, and the fact that we will > never come up with names that are intuitive to all sectors of the > audience, would it be sensible to try to move towards a supplementary > FAQ style index, e.g. > > Q: I need to refer to the classes in an ontology to describe the content > of documents, books, films, etc. What should I look at? > > A: See Classes as Values (URL). > > If we made providing one-to-three such questions something that each > person did when they drafted a note and then discussed them briefly, I > think we could do this with a low effort on everybody's part. > Experience with other things suggests that such notes, particularly when > used in this way just as an index/pointers are less contentious than > names and allow several questions to point to the same resource. They > would also help focus us on what the notes are for. Good idea, such a FAQ roadmap. I would suggest to start this activity only once we have freed some resources from TFs finishing their work. I'm a bit worried about trying to do too many thugs at the same time. Guus > > Regards > > Alan > > > Given the > > Christopher Welty wrote: > >> >> I liked the idea of naming the patterns until I saw the suggested >> names. I suggest dropping this issue, I think it will take too long >> to come up with good names - I disagree with most of these (some are >> confusing and/or ambiguous). >> >> >> -Chris >> >> Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group >> IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr., Hawthorne, NY 10532 USA >> Voice: +1 914.784.7055, IBM T/L: 863.7055, Fax: +1 914.784.7455 >> Email: welty@watson.ibm.com, Web: >> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/w/welty/ >> >> >> "Uschold, Michael F" <michael.f.uschold@boeing.com> >> Sent by: public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org >> >> 03/07/2005 09:09 PM >> >> >> To >> "Natasha Noy" <noy@smi.stanford.edu>, "swbp" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org> >> cc >> Christopher Welty/Watson/IBM@IBMUS >> Subject >> RE: [OEP] new Editor's draft of classes as values available >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Natasha, >> >> Thanks for having a go at naming the approaches. Tough job. I looked at >> my original review notes which focused on WHAT EXACTLY IS THE VALUE OF >> WHAT PROPERTY. This is the essential thing that distinguishes each >> approach. So, my names suggest answers to that question for each. >> >> And the NEW SUGGESTION IS: >> 1. classes as values [the direct approach] >> 2. class instances as values >> 3. parallel classes instances as values >> 4. implicit class instances as values >> 5. classes as annotation property values >> >> I think these are all accurate, getting to the heart of the matter, and >> are reasonably short. >> What do you think? >> >> Your suggestions: >> >> 1. Classes directly as property values >> 2. Parallel set of individuals for property values >> 3. Parallel hierarchy of individuals for property values >> 4. Classes with value restrictions as types >> 5. Classes as values for annotation properties >> >> My notes... >> >> o 1: the actual class, e.g. Lion >> the relationship of this value to the class Lion is identity (it IS the >> class) >> o 2: an instance (called LionSubject) of the class: >> Lion denoting >> the subject of Lions. >> The relationship of this value to the class, Lion is: rdf:Type (or >> instance) >> o 3: an instance (called LionSubject) of the class: >> Subject >> denoting the subject of Lions. >> LionSubject is related to the class Lion via an rdf:seeAlso link. >> o 4: an [implicit] unidentified instance of the class >> Lion. >> The relationship of this [nonexistent implicit] value to the class Lion >> is rdf:type >> o 5: the actual class, e.g. Lion >> the relationship of this value to the class Lion is identity (it IS the >> class) >> NB: this is identical to approach 1. The difference is that the property >> is an annotation property. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Natasha Noy [mailto:noy@smi.stanford.edu] >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:48 PM >> To: swbp >> Subject: [OEP] new Editor's draft of classes as values available >> >> >> >> The new version of the Editor's draft is available at the same location >> >> [1] (also accessible from OEP page [2]). >> >> I think we have converged on all the issues except for the abstract >> [3]. Chris, Mike, for the moment I conveniently assumed that you will >> agree with my last message [3], but we can still of course change it. >> >> I went through the document and fixed most typos, references, etc. When >> >> doing that I've also fixed a couple of extra issues that Mike brought >> up in his review and that I somehow missed (e.g., moving the SKOS >> discussion to a slightly different location). >> >> Mike, I also edited your re-wording of approach 4 a bit, but I tried >> not to change the meaning or the order of sentences in your text to >> make it even more clear (I think). If you are going to re-read anything >> >> in the document besides the abstract, this is the section to read. >> >> Besides agreeing on the abstract, there is only one more thing >> remaining: shorter titles for the patterns, if we can come up with >> them. I've tried to come up with something, but I am not at all crazy >> about the result. It may not be that easy to do. Any thoughts on the >> list below? >> >> 1. Classes directly as property values >> 2. Parallel set of individuals for property values >> 3. Parallel hierarchy of individuals for property values >> 4. Classes with value restrictions as types >> 5. Classes as values for annotation properties >> >> Other than that, I think we are done... >> >> Natasha >> >> [1] >> http://smi-web.stanford.edu/people/noy/ClassesAsValues/ClassesAsValues >> -2nd-WD.html >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ >> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0053.html >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Alan L Rector > Professor of Medical Informatics > Department of Computer Science > University of Manchester > Manchester M13 9PL, UK > TEL: +44-161-275-6188/6149/7183 > FAX: +44-161-275-6236/6204 > Room: 2.88a, Kilburn Building > email: rector@cs.man.ac.uk > web: www.cs.man.ac.uk/mig > www.opengalen.org > www.clinical-escience.org > www.co-ode.org > > -- Free University Amsterdam, Computer Science De Boelelaan 1081a, 1081 HV Amsterdam, The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 598 7739/7718 E-mail: schreiber@cs.vu.nl Home page: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~guus/
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