- From: Jeff Z. Pan <Jeff.Pan@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:41:44 -0000
- To: "Thomas Baker" <thomas.baker@izb.fraunhofer.de>, "'Guus Schreiber'" <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>
- Cc: "SW Best Practices" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
And another new action ... [NEW] ACTION: Phil to set up a Web page to provide links to relevant publications, topics and validated ideas. Greetings, Jeff -- Dr. Jeff Z. Pan ( http://DL-Web.man.ac.uk/ ) School of Computer Science, The University of Manchester ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Baker" <thomas.baker@izb.fraunhofer.de> To: "SW Best Practices" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: meeting record: 2004-12-16 SWBPD telecon > > SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG > 16 Dec 2004 > > [2]Agenda > > See also: [3]IRC log. This report based on minutes as > formatted by David Booth's [24]scribe.perl 1.90 ([25]CVS > log). > > Attendees > > Present > Evan_Wallace, Ralph, Tom_Baker, Jeff_Pan, ChrisW, > Guus_Schreiber, Darren_Govoni, Natasha, Alistair_Miles, Jeremy, > Mike_Uschold, Steve_Pepper, Deb_McGuinness > > Regrets > TomA, Phil, Brian, Libby, DanBri, Lars_Marius, Fabien, Marco > > Chair > Guus > > Scribe > Tom_Baker > > Contents > > * Topics > 1. Administrivia > 2. Action Item Review > 3. TF Updates > 4. OEP TF Update > 5. VM TF Update > * Summary of Action Items > _________________________________________________________________ > > 1. Administrivia > > Previous: > [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html > > This is the last call before changing to regular new telecon times. > No telecon Dec 30. Next telecon is Jan 13 at 1800 UTC, then we will > keep to two-week schedule. > > PROPOSED to accept minutes of 02 dec: > [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html > > Amendments to minutes: > > Ralph: two updates: > -- I recorded my regrets in log. > -- Announcement of telecon times should include dates. > > Dan Govoni: was at W3C/Boston and forgot to send regrets. > > PROPOSED (Jeremy): not enough review time for minutes, let's > leave for next telecon (Jan 13, 1800 UTC). > > RESOLVED > > 2. Action Item Review > > "ACTION: fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list" > -- CONTINUED > > "ACTION: ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible" > -- DROP: Ralph asked Phil if SETF really wants a separate > list and proposed they simply use a [SE] tag in the Subject line. > Action dropped; task force can raise again if needed. > > "ACTION: phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF" > -- DONE > > "ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF" > -- DONE > > "ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon" > -- DONE > > "ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD" > -- CONTINUED > > "ACTION: guus send jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS" > -- DONE > [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html > > "ACTION: Brian and DanBri need to talk about what need to do for > Wordnet document to be good enough" > -- CONTINUED > > "ACTION: Jeremy Clarify which parts of UML docs HP is most interested > in reviewing" > -- CONTINUED > > "ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position on > inclusion of RDF/A in their last call wd." > -- DONE: Ralph spoke with Steven Pemberton, who unofficially said that > as of Dec 2, HTML WG was holding last working draft for publication > pending inclusion of RDF/A in last draft. Are holding until this > is completed. > > "ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow" > -- DONE: Ralph says they talked about it at CG. Not sure if TAG > can meet with SWBPD. Hopes that TAG will want to consult with BP > on httpRange-14. Not clear whether message from TAG was an offer > to meet with us as a group or to liaise with other WGs individually > -- apparently more the latter. Not impossible to meet as group, > but more likely to meet with representative. > > Steve Pepper had asked whether we could have 4 days of > meeting time at the Tech Plenary. Meeting planners say > there is not sufficient meeting-room space -- only for > Thu-Fri of the tech plenary week. However, BP will have > one of the biggest rooms. SW Interest Group will meet > Mon-Tue. DanBri wants to split SWIG between Tue and Thu > so that SWIG does not conflict with other meetings (i.e., > to not completely overlap DAWG or SWBPD). Wed is the > "real plenary day". > > Question: what is SWIG? Used to be RDF interest group > Generally a place for users and developers (mostly) of > RDF and OWL and rule languages. > Has spinoff activities and task forces. > FOAF work is related to it. > [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/ > > Task Force Updates > > -- 3.1. OEP TF Update > > Mike: OEP had a telecon last Thursday, updated the TF > Web page. Alan Rector has taken over editorship of simple > PartOf note. Expect some new drafts before year-end for > circulation w/in TF. No change on units and measures. > Waiting for ISI AC Rep to nominate Jerry Hobbs and student > for WG participation. Discussed whether UML work should be > done in SETF or OEP TF; we agreed it didn't matter where > it was done. Happy to keep UML work in OEP as it is a > modelling language, but will move if SETF really wants it. > > ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C > Membership. > > Guus: Message from people who have developed units and measures > ontology. Group from technology for agriculture, web site > URL is on the list. > > Ralph: That email was delayed for permission to post to > public list -- handshake system called "archive approval > queue" makes people aware their email address will be > public. It has now been forwarded to list. > [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html > > "UnitDim: an ontology of physical units and quantities" > From Rijgersberg, Hajo <Hajo.Rijgersberg@wur.nl> > > Deb: draft for time hasn't been circulated because of author > membership questions. > > ChrisW: draft is here: > [19]http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/ > > Deb: discussion of N-ary doc: interest in updates, postings > from Peter to our list. > > -- 3.2 PORT - alistair > Proposes that tomorrow or ASAP we turn the following > into "first working drafts" (see summary in > [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html): > > -- SKOS Core Spec > [15]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html > > This is a namespace doc, an overview of the > vocabulary. Aims to provide summary of each term - > definition, comments, domains/ranges. Generated from > underlying definition of SKOS Core vocabulary -- > a human-readable version of SKOS Core. > > -- SKOS Core Guide > [16]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/ > > The guide is human-readable intro - how to use it: > features of vocabulary, with examples. In the last > telecon, we agreed to make it accessible to non-RDF > people, but proved to be nearly impossible to write - > would have been extremely long. Rather, we restrict > the scope to people who basically understand RDF, > then if we want to present porting issues, we will > do that in a separate doc which explains basic > concepts (not yet written). From there, we can > look at developing add'nl method notes. > > Guus: Quick Start Guide in the working draft? > > Alistair: yes, fine. "Quick Guide to Publishing > Thesauri on the Semantic Web". Would be happy for > review of quick guide too. > > Guus: needs to be on agenda. Non-TF members need to review it. > So we need to start soliciting reviewers. Will take a decision > in the Jan 13 telecon. Start by soliciting reviewers from within > working group - from that, we get a proposal for publication, and > it gets on the agenda of a WG telecon (or F2F). Then we take > decision, taking reviews into account. Between now and next call > we have four weeks to organize review. > > Alistair: no reviewers yet. > > Ralph: ideally reviewers from outside TF. We presume > the TF has consensus before proposing to the WG. > > Guus: Propose Mark van Assem, who has done thesauri > conversion. > > Tom Baker volunteers to review. > > ACTION (Alistair): Send email to list, providing > documents, suggesting timeline. Reviews should be done > by the Monday before the Jan 13 telecon (i.e. Jan 10). > > Guus: problem of lost messages? > Ralph: all messages sent to list are now in archive. > there was a delay, but as far as I can tell nothing lost. > Ralph: hmm. Alistair thinks his message of 24 Nov was lost from > archive; I will research that. > > -- 3.3 Wordnet - skipping... > > -- 3.4 XML Schema Datatypes > > Jeremy: We have version of doc with only one @@TODO. > Not seen any review comments. What next? Possibly assign > WG reviewers and invite other groups to make informal > comments. The other WGs I have in mind: DAWG, XSLT, Xquery, > XML schema. Maybe Webont and RDFcore because this note is > a comment on their recommendations. > > Guus: Need at least one reviewer from this group. > > Evan volunteers. > > ACTION: Evan will review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon. > > Jeremy: Other groups would need time to review, so this > implies we would publish after tech plenary. > > Subject: Next steps on datatypes > [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html > > -- 3.5 Vocabulary Management TF Update > > TomB: Everyone is supposed to be putting their input into > the Wiki or sending to me. Have been in touch with everyone > who has actions to input material. Have some outside > material on PRISM to work into the draft. Had problems > with the Wiki being vandalized; some parts of the draft > disappeared, but this might have been accidental rather > than the vandal; will compare the versions and restore. > Several important contributions have not yet arrived, > so the original timeline is slipping. Hope major pieces > will be in place by the end of the year. By Jan 5 hope > to be where originally hoped to be on Dec 6. > > Next step will be to move draft from Wiki and massage > into more readable draft for discussion. Have gotten some > material and some convincing promises for other material. > > Guus: consider seeking other volunteers for the material > you want. > > TomB: The people who have the actions now are talking > about particular areas of their expertise (particular > vocabularies). Jim Hendler has volunteered to contribute > even though no longer a member of this WG. I am confident > that the material is coming, just late. Had hoped to have > all this before the holidays so the rough draft would have > been available. The new realistic goal is to have draft > before the 13 Jan telecon. > > -- 3.6 RDF-in-HTML > > Guus: syntax will be included in final draft (probably). > Steven Pemberton reported that last draft on Mark's plate. > BenA says no news from HTML WG. > > -- 3.7 ADTF - an ongoing effort... > > -- 3.8 RDFTM (Topic Map) Task Force > > Steve_Pepper: good progress. Working on survey of RDF/TM > interoperability. Second deliverable: guidelines. > Preparing test cases for using in preparing those > guidelines. At moment, fairly complete editors' drafts. > Hope to announce to wg as whole in early January. > Feedback welcome, especially on the direction we are taking. > We are creating docs on wiki: > > [21]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey > [22]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases > > Will send these as email as well. Goal: something "complete > enough" in early January. > > ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page. > > Steve: Interested in press release - a WG issue, or elsewhere? > > Guus: This is something to consider when publishing a working draft. > > Steve: Hopefully that will be in mid-January. > > Guus: Can consider press release at publication of working > draft, or at publication of final note. Let's discuss > either in Jan 13 or Jan 27 telecon. > > -- 3.9 Tutorial Page... > > -- 3.10 Software Engineering > > Guus: Main issue is status of potential participants. > Ralph: Jeff, [23]http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html has some > information about W3C invited expert process. > > Jeff: Web page as further action in Task Force? Considering > setting up new web page on applications and topics and > uses of ontologies in software engineering. > > Ralph: Sounds like what Demos TF is doing. > > Evan: ODM draft document deadline is Jan 10. Can discuss > in next telecon. > > Jeff: Meeting to discuss comments on Jan 31. > > Steve: What about non-W3C non-invited-experts from orgs > with which W3C has official liaison? > > Ralph: A working group can have liaison with ISO, for example. > On a working-group-to-technical-committee basis. > > Summary of Action Items > > [CONTINUED] ACTION: Fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list > [CONTINUED] ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD > [CONTINUED] ACTION: Brian and DanBri talk about Wordnet document > [CONTINUED] ACTION: Jeremy clarify parts of UML docs HP wants to review > > [DROP] ACTION: Ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible > > [DONE] ACTION: Phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF > [DONE] ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF > [DONE] ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon > [DONE] ACTION: Guus send Jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS > [DONE] ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position > [DONE] ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow > > [NEW] ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C > [NEW] ACTION: Alistair send timeline to list. > [NEW] ACTION: Alistair contact Mark van Assem (Guus has address) to review PORT docs. > [NEW] ACTION: Tom Baker to review PORT docs. > [NEW] ACTION: Alistair send email to list, providing documents, suggesting timeline. > [NEW] ACTION: Evan to review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon. > [NEW] ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page. > > References > > 1. http://www.w3.org/ > 2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0089.html > 3. http://www.w3.org/2004/12/16-swbp-irc > 11. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html > 12. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html > 13. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html > 14. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/ > 15. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html > 16. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/ > 17. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html > 18. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html > 19. http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/ > 20. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html > 21. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey > 22. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases > 23. http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html > 24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl > 25. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl > > >
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