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From: Jeff Z. Pan <Jeff.Pan@manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:41:44 -0000
Message-ID: <05e201c4e481$35674150$6bc65882@cs.man.ac.uk>
To: "Thomas Baker" <thomas.baker@izb.fraunhofer.de>, "'Guus Schreiber'" <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>
Cc: "SW Best Practices" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>

And another new action ...

 [NEW] ACTION: Phil to set up a Web page to provide links to
relevant publications, topics and validated ideas.

Greetings,
Jeff

--
Dr. Jeff Z. Pan  ( http://DL-Web.man.ac.uk/ )
School of Computer Science, The University of Manchester



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Baker" <thomas.baker@izb.fraunhofer.de>
To: "SW Best Practices" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: meeting record: 2004-12-16 SWBPD telecon


>
>                     SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG
>                                   16 Dec 2004
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log.  This report based on minutes as
>    formatted by David Booth's [24]scribe.perl 1.90 ([25]CVS
>    log).
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           Evan_Wallace, Ralph, Tom_Baker, Jeff_Pan, ChrisW,
>           Guus_Schreiber, Darren_Govoni, Natasha, Alistair_Miles, Jeremy,
>           Mike_Uschold, Steve_Pepper, Deb_McGuinness
>
>    Regrets
>           TomA, Phil, Brian, Libby, DanBri, Lars_Marius, Fabien, Marco
>
>    Chair
>           Guus
>
>    Scribe
>           Tom_Baker
>
> Contents
>
>      * Topics
>          1. Administrivia
>          2. Action Item Review
>          3. TF Updates
>          4. OEP TF Update
>          5. VM TF Update
>      * Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
> 1. Administrivia
>
>    Previous:
>    [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
>
>    This is the last call before changing to regular new telecon times.
>    No telecon Dec 30.  Next telecon is Jan 13 at 1800 UTC, then we will
>    keep to two-week schedule.
>
>    PROPOSED to accept minutes of 02 dec:
>    [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
>
>    Amendments to minutes:
>
>        Ralph: two updates:
>        -- I recorded my regrets in log.
>        -- Announcement of telecon times should include dates.
>
>        Dan Govoni: was at W3C/Boston and forgot to send regrets.
>
>    PROPOSED (Jeremy): not enough review time for minutes, let's
>    leave for next telecon (Jan 13, 1800 UTC).
>
>    RESOLVED
>
> 2. Action Item Review
>
>    "ACTION: fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list"
>    -- CONTINUED
>
>    "ACTION: ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible"
>    -- DROP: Ralph asked Phil if SETF really wants a separate
>       list and proposed they simply use a [SE] tag in the Subject line.
>       Action dropped; task force can raise again if needed.
>
>    "ACTION: phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF"
>    -- DONE
>
>    "ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF"
>    -- DONE
>
>    "ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon"
>    -- DONE
>
>    "ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD"
>    -- CONTINUED
>
>    "ACTION: guus send jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS"
>    -- DONE
>       [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html
>
>    "ACTION: Brian and DanBri need to talk about what need to do for
>    Wordnet document to be good enough"
>    -- CONTINUED
>
>    "ACTION: Jeremy Clarify which parts of UML docs HP is most interested
>    in reviewing"
>    -- CONTINUED
>
>    "ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position on
>    inclusion of RDF/A in their last call wd."
>    -- DONE: Ralph spoke with Steven Pemberton, who unofficially said that
>       as of Dec 2, HTML WG was holding last working draft for publication
>       pending inclusion of RDF/A in last draft.  Are holding until this
>       is completed.
>
>    "ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow"
>    -- DONE: Ralph says they talked about it at CG.  Not sure if TAG
>       can meet with SWBPD.  Hopes that TAG will want to consult with BP
>       on httpRange-14.  Not clear whether message from TAG was an offer
>       to meet with us as a group or to liaise with other WGs individually
>       -- apparently more the latter.  Not impossible to meet as group,
>       but more likely to meet with representative.
>
>    Steve Pepper had asked whether we could have 4 days of
>    meeting time at the Tech Plenary.  Meeting planners say
>    there is not sufficient meeting-room space -- only for
>    Thu-Fri of the tech plenary week.  However, BP will have
>    one of the biggest rooms.  SW Interest Group will meet
>    Mon-Tue.  DanBri wants to split SWIG between Tue and Thu
>    so that SWIG does not conflict with other meetings (i.e.,
>    to not completely overlap DAWG or SWBPD).  Wed is the
>    "real plenary day".
>
>    Question: what is SWIG?  Used to be RDF interest group
>    Generally a place for users and developers (mostly) of
>    RDF and OWL and rule languages.
>    Has spinoff activities and task forces.
>    FOAF work is related to it.
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/
>
> Task Force Updates
>
> -- 3.1. OEP TF Update
>
>    Mike: OEP had a telecon last Thursday, updated the TF
>    Web page.  Alan Rector has taken over editorship of simple
>    PartOf note.  Expect some new drafts before year-end for
>    circulation w/in TF.  No change on units and measures.
>    Waiting for ISI AC Rep to nominate Jerry Hobbs and student
>    for WG participation.  Discussed whether UML work should be
>    done in SETF or OEP TF; we agreed it didn't matter where
>    it was done.  Happy to keep UML work in OEP as it is a
>    modelling language, but will move if SETF really wants it.
>
>    ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C
>    Membership.
>
>    Guus: Message from people who have developed units and measures
>    ontology.  Group from technology for agriculture, web site
>    URL is on the list.
>
>    Ralph: That email was delayed for permission to post to
>    public list -- handshake system called "archive approval
>    queue" makes people aware their email address will be
>    public.  It has now been forwarded to list.
>    [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html
>
>    "UnitDim: an ontology of physical units and quantities"
>    From Rijgersberg, Hajo <Hajo.Rijgersberg@wur.nl>
>
>    Deb: draft for time hasn't been circulated because of author
>    membership questions.
>
>    ChrisW: draft is here:
>    [19]http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/
>
>    Deb: discussion of N-ary doc: interest in updates, postings
>    from Peter to our list.
>
> -- 3.2 PORT - alistair
>        Proposes that tomorrow or ASAP we turn the following
>        into "first working drafts" (see summary in
>        [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html):
>
>        -- SKOS Core Spec
>           [15]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html
>
>           This is a namespace doc, an overview of the
>           vocabulary.  Aims to provide summary of each term -
>           definition, comments, domains/ranges.  Generated from
>           underlying definition of SKOS Core vocabulary --
>           a human-readable version of SKOS Core.
>
>        -- SKOS Core Guide
>           [16]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/
>
>           The guide is human-readable intro - how to use it:
>           features of vocabulary, with examples.  In the last
>           telecon, we agreed to make it accessible to non-RDF
>           people, but proved to be nearly impossible to write -
>           would have been extremely long.  Rather, we restrict
>           the scope to people who basically understand RDF,
>           then if we want to present porting issues, we will
>           do that in a separate doc which explains basic
>           concepts (not yet written).  From there, we can
>           look at developing add'nl method notes.
>
>           Guus: Quick Start Guide in the working draft?
>
>           Alistair: yes, fine.  "Quick Guide to Publishing
>           Thesauri on the Semantic Web".  Would be happy for
>           review of quick guide too.
>
>        Guus: needs to be on agenda.  Non-TF members need to review it.
>        So we need to start soliciting reviewers.  Will take a decision
>        in the Jan 13 telecon.  Start by soliciting reviewers from within
>        working group - from that, we get a proposal for publication, and
>        it gets on the agenda of a WG telecon (or F2F).  Then we take
>        decision, taking reviews into account.  Between now and next call
>        we have four weeks to organize review.
>
>        Alistair: no reviewers yet.
>
>        Ralph: ideally reviewers from outside TF.  We presume
>        the TF has consensus before proposing to the WG.
>
>        Guus: Propose Mark van Assem, who has done thesauri
>        conversion.
>
>        Tom Baker volunteers to review.
>
>        ACTION (Alistair): Send email to list, providing
>        documents, suggesting timeline.  Reviews should be done
>        by the Monday before the Jan 13 telecon (i.e. Jan 10).
>
>    Guus: problem of lost messages?
>    Ralph: all messages sent to list are now in archive.
>    there was a delay, but as far as I can tell nothing lost.
>    Ralph: hmm. Alistair thinks his message of 24 Nov was lost from
>    archive; I will research that.
>
> -- 3.3 Wordnet - skipping...
>
> -- 3.4 XML Schema Datatypes
>
>    Jeremy: We have version of doc with only one @@TODO.
>    Not seen any review comments.  What next?  Possibly assign
>    WG reviewers and invite other groups to make informal
>    comments.  The other WGs I have in mind: DAWG, XSLT, Xquery,
>    XML schema. Maybe Webont and RDFcore because this note is
>    a comment on their recommendations.
>
>    Guus: Need at least one reviewer from this group.
>
>    Evan volunteers.
>
>    ACTION: Evan will review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon.
>
>    Jeremy: Other groups would need time to review, so this
>    implies we would publish after tech plenary.
>
>    Subject: Next steps on datatypes
>    [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html
>
> -- 3.5 Vocabulary Management TF Update
>
>    TomB: Everyone is supposed to be putting their input into
>    the Wiki or sending to me.  Have been in touch with everyone
>    who has actions to input material.  Have some outside
>    material on PRISM to work into the draft.  Had problems
>    with the Wiki being vandalized; some parts of the draft
>    disappeared, but this might have been accidental rather
>    than the vandal; will compare the versions and restore.
>    Several important contributions have not yet arrived,
>    so the original timeline is slipping.  Hope major pieces
>    will be in place by the end of the year.  By Jan 5 hope
>    to be where originally hoped to be on Dec 6.
>
>    Next step will be to move draft from Wiki and massage
>    into more readable draft for discussion.  Have gotten some
>    material and some convincing promises for other material.
>
>    Guus: consider seeking other volunteers for the material
>    you want.
>
>    TomB: The people who have the actions now are talking
>    about particular areas of their expertise (particular
>    vocabularies).  Jim Hendler has volunteered to contribute
>    even though no longer a member of this WG.  I am confident
>    that the material is coming, just late.  Had hoped to have
>    all this before the holidays so the rough draft would have
>    been available.  The new realistic goal is to have draft
>    before the 13 Jan telecon.
>
> -- 3.6 RDF-in-HTML
>
>    Guus: syntax will be included in final draft (probably).
>    Steven Pemberton reported that last draft on Mark's plate.
>    BenA says no news from HTML WG.
>
> -- 3.7 ADTF - an ongoing effort...
>
> -- 3.8 RDFTM (Topic Map) Task Force
>
>    Steve_Pepper: good progress.  Working on survey of RDF/TM
>    interoperability.  Second deliverable: guidelines.
>    Preparing test cases for using in preparing those
>    guidelines.  At moment, fairly complete editors' drafts.
>    Hope to announce to wg as whole in early January.
>    Feedback welcome, especially on the direction we are taking.
>    We are creating docs on wiki:
>
>    [21]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey
>    [22]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases
>
>    Will send these as email as well.  Goal: something "complete
>    enough" in early January.
>
>    ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page.
>
>    Steve: Interested in press release - a WG issue, or elsewhere?
>
>    Guus: This is something to consider when publishing a working draft.
>
>    Steve: Hopefully that will be in mid-January.
>
>    Guus: Can consider press release at publication of working
>    draft, or at publication of final note.  Let's discuss
>    either in Jan 13 or Jan 27 telecon.
>
> -- 3.9 Tutorial Page...
>
> -- 3.10 Software Engineering
>
>    Guus: Main issue is status of potential participants.
>    Ralph: Jeff, [23]http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html has some
>    information about W3C invited expert process.
>
>    Jeff: Web page as further action in Task Force?  Considering
>    setting up new web page on applications and topics and
>    uses of ontologies in software engineering.
>
>    Ralph: Sounds like what Demos TF is doing.
>
>    Evan: ODM draft document deadline is Jan 10.  Can discuss
>    in next telecon.
>
>    Jeff: Meeting to discuss comments on Jan 31.
>
>    Steve: What about non-W3C non-invited-experts from orgs
>    with which W3C has official liaison?
>
>    Ralph: A working group can have liaison with ISO, for example.
>    On a working-group-to-technical-committee basis.
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [CONTINUED] ACTION: Fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP
list
>    [CONTINUED] ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD
>    [CONTINUED] ACTION: Brian and DanBri talk about Wordnet document
>    [CONTINUED] ACTION: Jeremy clarify parts of UML docs HP wants to review
>
>    [DROP] ACTION: Ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and
accessible
>
>    [DONE] ACTION: Phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF
>    [DONE] ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF
>    [DONE] ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon
>    [DONE] ACTION: Guus send Jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS
>    [DONE] ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position
>    [DONE] ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C
>    [NEW] ACTION: Alistair send timeline to list.
>    [NEW] ACTION: Alistair contact Mark van Assem (Guus has address) to review PORT
docs.
>    [NEW] ACTION: Tom Baker to review PORT docs.
>    [NEW] ACTION: Alistair send email to list, providing documents, suggesting
timeline.
>    [NEW] ACTION: Evan to review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon.
>    [NEW] ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page.
>
> References
>
>    1. http://www.w3.org/
>    2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0089.html
>    3. http://www.w3.org/2004/12/16-swbp-irc
>   11. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
>   12. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
>   13. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html
>   14. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/
>   15. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html
>   16. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/
>   17. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html
>   18. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html
>   19. http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/
>   20. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html
>   21. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey
>   22. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases
>   23. http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html
>   24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
>   25. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
>
>
>
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