- From: Thomas Baker <thomas.baker@izb.fraunhofer.de>
- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:26:31 +0100
- To: SW Best Practices <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG
16 Dec 2004
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log. This report based on minutes as
formatted by David Booth's [24]scribe.perl 1.90 ([25]CVS
log).
Attendees
Present
Evan_Wallace, Ralph, Tom_Baker, Jeff_Pan, ChrisW,
Guus_Schreiber, Darren_Govoni, Natasha, Alistair_Miles, Jeremy,
Mike_Uschold, Steve_Pepper, Deb_McGuinness
Regrets
TomA, Phil, Brian, Libby, DanBri, Lars_Marius, Fabien, Marco
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Tom_Baker
Contents
* Topics
1. Administrivia
2. Action Item Review
3. TF Updates
4. OEP TF Update
5. VM TF Update
* Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________________
1. Administrivia
Previous:
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
This is the last call before changing to regular new telecon times.
No telecon Dec 30. Next telecon is Jan 13 at 1800 UTC, then we will
keep to two-week schedule.
PROPOSED to accept minutes of 02 dec:
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
Amendments to minutes:
Ralph: two updates:
-- I recorded my regrets in log.
-- Announcement of telecon times should include dates.
Dan Govoni: was at W3C/Boston and forgot to send regrets.
PROPOSED (Jeremy): not enough review time for minutes, let's
leave for next telecon (Jan 13, 1800 UTC).
RESOLVED
2. Action Item Review
"ACTION: fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list"
-- CONTINUED
"ACTION: ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible"
-- DROP: Ralph asked Phil if SETF really wants a separate
list and proposed they simply use a [SE] tag in the Subject line.
Action dropped; task force can raise again if needed.
"ACTION: phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF"
-- DONE
"ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF"
-- DONE
"ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon"
-- DONE
"ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD"
-- CONTINUED
"ACTION: guus send jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS"
-- DONE
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html
"ACTION: Brian and DanBri need to talk about what need to do for
Wordnet document to be good enough"
-- CONTINUED
"ACTION: Jeremy Clarify which parts of UML docs HP is most interested
in reviewing"
-- CONTINUED
"ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position on
inclusion of RDF/A in their last call wd."
-- DONE: Ralph spoke with Steven Pemberton, who unofficially said that
as of Dec 2, HTML WG was holding last working draft for publication
pending inclusion of RDF/A in last draft. Are holding until this
is completed.
"ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow"
-- DONE: Ralph says they talked about it at CG. Not sure if TAG
can meet with SWBPD. Hopes that TAG will want to consult with BP
on httpRange-14. Not clear whether message from TAG was an offer
to meet with us as a group or to liaise with other WGs individually
-- apparently more the latter. Not impossible to meet as group,
but more likely to meet with representative.
Steve Pepper had asked whether we could have 4 days of
meeting time at the Tech Plenary. Meeting planners say
there is not sufficient meeting-room space -- only for
Thu-Fri of the tech plenary week. However, BP will have
one of the biggest rooms. SW Interest Group will meet
Mon-Tue. DanBri wants to split SWIG between Tue and Thu
so that SWIG does not conflict with other meetings (i.e.,
to not completely overlap DAWG or SWBPD). Wed is the
"real plenary day".
Question: what is SWIG? Used to be RDF interest group
Generally a place for users and developers (mostly) of
RDF and OWL and rule languages.
Has spinoff activities and task forces.
FOAF work is related to it.
[14]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/
Task Force Updates
-- 3.1. OEP TF Update
Mike: OEP had a telecon last Thursday, updated the TF
Web page. Alan Rector has taken over editorship of simple
PartOf note. Expect some new drafts before year-end for
circulation w/in TF. No change on units and measures.
Waiting for ISI AC Rep to nominate Jerry Hobbs and student
for WG participation. Discussed whether UML work should be
done in SETF or OEP TF; we agreed it didn't matter where
it was done. Happy to keep UML work in OEP as it is a
modelling language, but will move if SETF really wants it.
ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C
Membership.
Guus: Message from people who have developed units and measures
ontology. Group from technology for agriculture, web site
URL is on the list.
Ralph: That email was delayed for permission to post to
public list -- handshake system called "archive approval
queue" makes people aware their email address will be
public. It has now been forwarded to list.
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html
"UnitDim: an ontology of physical units and quantities"
From Rijgersberg, Hajo <Hajo.Rijgersberg@wur.nl>
Deb: draft for time hasn't been circulated because of author
membership questions.
ChrisW: draft is here:
[19]http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/
Deb: discussion of N-ary doc: interest in updates, postings
from Peter to our list.
-- 3.2 PORT - alistair
Proposes that tomorrow or ASAP we turn the following
into "first working drafts" (see summary in
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html):
-- SKOS Core Spec
[15]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html
This is a namespace doc, an overview of the
vocabulary. Aims to provide summary of each term -
definition, comments, domains/ranges. Generated from
underlying definition of SKOS Core vocabulary --
a human-readable version of SKOS Core.
-- SKOS Core Guide
[16]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/
The guide is human-readable intro - how to use it:
features of vocabulary, with examples. In the last
telecon, we agreed to make it accessible to non-RDF
people, but proved to be nearly impossible to write -
would have been extremely long. Rather, we restrict
the scope to people who basically understand RDF,
then if we want to present porting issues, we will
do that in a separate doc which explains basic
concepts (not yet written). From there, we can
look at developing add'nl method notes.
Guus: Quick Start Guide in the working draft?
Alistair: yes, fine. "Quick Guide to Publishing
Thesauri on the Semantic Web". Would be happy for
review of quick guide too.
Guus: needs to be on agenda. Non-TF members need to review it.
So we need to start soliciting reviewers. Will take a decision
in the Jan 13 telecon. Start by soliciting reviewers from within
working group - from that, we get a proposal for publication, and
it gets on the agenda of a WG telecon (or F2F). Then we take
decision, taking reviews into account. Between now and next call
we have four weeks to organize review.
Alistair: no reviewers yet.
Ralph: ideally reviewers from outside TF. We presume
the TF has consensus before proposing to the WG.
Guus: Propose Mark van Assem, who has done thesauri
conversion.
Tom Baker volunteers to review.
ACTION (Alistair): Send email to list, providing
documents, suggesting timeline. Reviews should be done
by the Monday before the Jan 13 telecon (i.e. Jan 10).
Guus: problem of lost messages?
Ralph: all messages sent to list are now in archive.
there was a delay, but as far as I can tell nothing lost.
Ralph: hmm. Alistair thinks his message of 24 Nov was lost from
archive; I will research that.
-- 3.3 Wordnet - skipping...
-- 3.4 XML Schema Datatypes
Jeremy: We have version of doc with only one @@TODO.
Not seen any review comments. What next? Possibly assign
WG reviewers and invite other groups to make informal
comments. The other WGs I have in mind: DAWG, XSLT, Xquery,
XML schema. Maybe Webont and RDFcore because this note is
a comment on their recommendations.
Guus: Need at least one reviewer from this group.
Evan volunteers.
ACTION: Evan will review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon.
Jeremy: Other groups would need time to review, so this
implies we would publish after tech plenary.
Subject: Next steps on datatypes
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html
-- 3.5 Vocabulary Management TF Update
TomB: Everyone is supposed to be putting their input into
the Wiki or sending to me. Have been in touch with everyone
who has actions to input material. Have some outside
material on PRISM to work into the draft. Had problems
with the Wiki being vandalized; some parts of the draft
disappeared, but this might have been accidental rather
than the vandal; will compare the versions and restore.
Several important contributions have not yet arrived,
so the original timeline is slipping. Hope major pieces
will be in place by the end of the year. By Jan 5 hope
to be where originally hoped to be on Dec 6.
Next step will be to move draft from Wiki and massage
into more readable draft for discussion. Have gotten some
material and some convincing promises for other material.
Guus: consider seeking other volunteers for the material
you want.
TomB: The people who have the actions now are talking
about particular areas of their expertise (particular
vocabularies). Jim Hendler has volunteered to contribute
even though no longer a member of this WG. I am confident
that the material is coming, just late. Had hoped to have
all this before the holidays so the rough draft would have
been available. The new realistic goal is to have draft
before the 13 Jan telecon.
-- 3.6 RDF-in-HTML
Guus: syntax will be included in final draft (probably).
Steven Pemberton reported that last draft on Mark's plate.
BenA says no news from HTML WG.
-- 3.7 ADTF - an ongoing effort...
-- 3.8 RDFTM (Topic Map) Task Force
Steve_Pepper: good progress. Working on survey of RDF/TM
interoperability. Second deliverable: guidelines.
Preparing test cases for using in preparing those
guidelines. At moment, fairly complete editors' drafts.
Hope to announce to wg as whole in early January.
Feedback welcome, especially on the direction we are taking.
We are creating docs on wiki:
[21]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey
[22]http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases
Will send these as email as well. Goal: something "complete
enough" in early January.
ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page.
Steve: Interested in press release - a WG issue, or elsewhere?
Guus: This is something to consider when publishing a working draft.
Steve: Hopefully that will be in mid-January.
Guus: Can consider press release at publication of working
draft, or at publication of final note. Let's discuss
either in Jan 13 or Jan 27 telecon.
-- 3.9 Tutorial Page...
-- 3.10 Software Engineering
Guus: Main issue is status of potential participants.
Ralph: Jeff, [23]http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html has some
information about W3C invited expert process.
Jeff: Web page as further action in Task Force? Considering
setting up new web page on applications and topics and
uses of ontologies in software engineering.
Ralph: Sounds like what Demos TF is doing.
Evan: ODM draft document deadline is Jan 10. Can discuss
in next telecon.
Jeff: Meeting to discuss comments on Jan 31.
Steve: What about non-W3C non-invited-experts from orgs
with which W3C has official liaison?
Ralph: A working group can have liaison with ISO, for example.
On a working-group-to-technical-committee basis.
Summary of Action Items
[CONTINUED] ACTION: Fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list
[CONTINUED] ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD
[CONTINUED] ACTION: Brian and DanBri talk about Wordnet document
[CONTINUED] ACTION: Jeremy clarify parts of UML docs HP wants to review
[DROP] ACTION: Ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible
[DONE] ACTION: Phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF
[DONE] ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF
[DONE] ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon
[DONE] ACTION: Guus send Jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph contact Steven Pemberton to clarify HTML WG's position
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph contact Elisa Kendall re: editorship and W3C
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair send timeline to list.
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair contact Mark van Assem (Guus has address) to review PORT docs.
[NEW] ACTION: Tom Baker to review PORT docs.
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair send email to list, providing documents, suggesting timeline.
[NEW] ACTION: Evan to review XML Schema Datatypes before next telecon.
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph add RDFTM Wiki links to TF description on BP page.
References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0089.html
3. http://www.w3.org/2004/12/16-swbp-irc
11. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
12. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0087.html
13. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0020.html
14. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/
15. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/guide/2004-11-25.html
16. http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/spec/
17. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0024.html
18. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0093.html
19. http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~ferguson/daml/
20. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0088.html
21. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/DraftSurvey
22. http://tesi.fabio.web.cs.unibo.it/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/RDFTM/TestCases
23. http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp.html
24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
25. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
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