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Full Minutes for 2 december telecon

From: Miles, AJ (Alistair) <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:53:31 -0000
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W3C Semantic Web Best Practices & Deployment Working Group 

Minutes of telecon for 
2 December 2004, 1500 UTC 
Duration: 60 -90 min 

IRC log: http://www.w3.org/2004/12/02-swbp-irc

Chair:  David Wood
Scribe: Alistair Miles

Please note that SWBP&D WG telecons are for attendance by members and 
invited experts only. 

NEW ACTIONS -

ACTION: fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list
ACTION: ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible
ACTION: phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF [4]
ACTION: Phil to refine the TF terms of reference and publish as a TF 
ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon [6]
ACTION: David to help Alistair to pbulish SKOS Core first WD [7]

CONTINUED ACTIONS -

ACTION: guus send jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS
ACTION: Brian and DanBri need to talk about what need to do for
Wordnet document to be good enough
ACTION: Jeremy Clarify which parts of UML docs HP is most interested
   in reviewing
ACTION: ralph contact steve pemberton to clarify html wg's position on
   inclusion of rdf/a in their last call wd.
ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow


1. ADMINISTRIVIA 

Roll call 
Attendees:   
(phone) Phil_Tetlow, Tom_Baker, Evan_Wallace, Alistair_Miles, Fabien_Gandon,
Andreas_Harth, DavidW, Steve_Pepper, Natasha_Noy, Marco, Chris_Welty,
Mike_Uschold,  jeremy
(irc) ChrisW, JeffP, Benjamin, MIkeU 

Regrets: Deborah


2. ACTION ITEM REVIEW
 
ACTION: guus to note on numeric ranges after the xml datatypes TF has
   finished
COMPLETED

ACTION: guus send jeremy pointer about numeric ranges and XMLS
CONTINUED

ACTION: Brian and DanBri need to talk about what need to do for
Wordnet document to be good enough
CONTINUED

ACTION: VM TF to compile list of sample vocabs for the note
COMPLETED

ACTION: VM TF with help from Guus to find thesaurus like example and
   high end ontologies to section 3
DROPPED

ACTION: David to contact Eric Miller re his interest in joining the 
RDFTM TF
COMPLETED

ACTION: Jeremy Clarify which parts of UML docs HP is most interested
   in reviewing
CONTINUED

ACTION: david put software engineering task force on agenda for two 
weeks time
COMPLETED

ACTION: david to propose a telecon schedule for the new year
COMPLETED
         
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0008.html

ACTION: guus to introduce new members from rdftm task force to the wg
COMPLETED?

ACTION: ralph contact steve pemberton to clarify html wg's position on
   inclusion of rdf/a in their last call wd.
CONTINUED

ACTION: Ralph take up TAG-SWBP agenda CG tomorrow
CONTINUED

ACTION: steve email 13250 to the WG
COMPLETED

NEW ACTION: fabio & new RDFTM TF members to post a short biog to SWBP list


3. Liaison issues


3.1 Review of SPARQL

Message by Jeremy:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Nov/0102.html
short discussion on resulting actions

see below.


3.2 Planning of ODM review activity

- David proposed to put off till next telecon.


4. SE TF

PROPSED to accept a new SE TF, along the lines of Phil's proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Dec/0005.html

Phil T made a general statement supporting the need for this TF, and the
opportunities it presents.

David supports the idea of the TF, but concerned the scope is too broad,
especially as we have many other active TFs currently.

There was discussion of scope, with Phil proposing that the sole (initial)
deliverable for this TF would be a 'work in progress' document, with goal to
generate interest, stimulate discussion in area of 'ontology-driven software
engineering'.  There was consensus that the original terms of reference need
to be refined, but may be provisionally agreed.

See full discussion at http://www.w3.org/2004/12/02-swbp-irc

PROPOSED: david proposes to stand SETF
Second: mikeU

ACTION: ralph to set up a SETF mailing list, public archive and accessible

ACTION: phil to look into setting up a wiki for SETF

ACTION: Phil to contact all SETF interested parties not on the telecon


3.1 Review of SPARQL

Message by Jeremy:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Nov/0102.html
short discussion on resulting actions

Jeremy outlined that SPARQL to be extended with some functions from XQUERY &
XPATH.  Using the XQuery functions presupposes that RDF datatypes are XML
schema dataypes, therefore interaction with XMLSCH datatypes work.

David: we need to include the DAWG in review of XMLSCH TF note.


5. TF REVIEWS


5.4 XML Schema datatypes 

Jeremy: some progress, need to finish bit on user defined datatypes ... also
jeff to add sommething on how DL reasoners interact with this.  Also evan
has suggested to split the doc ... but I'm opposed, unless sections progress
at different speeds.

Jeff: good idea to keep as one doc ... because if split into two documents,
need to reiterate relationship between RDF & XML datatypes.

Jeremy: unless strong reason to split, better as one for now.


5.1 OEP

David: deb posted message yesterday ... units & measures has an author ...
OWL time waiting for response from chairs ... units & measures is waiting on
getting elisa kendle as invited expert.


5.2 PORT

Alistair: Have taken in SKOS Core. Want to publish 'SKOS Core Guide'.
Initially attempted to publish guide in a way readable by non-RDF people.
Too difficult.  Proposed to publish an RDF-aware version, and another doc
aimed at non-RDF people.  Therefore, the guide could get done shortly.

David: Thinks that is an excellent idea. Would like to see guide published.

Agreed 'SKOS Core Guide' and namespace doc ('SKOS Core Vocabulary Spec') to
be published as first WD shortly.

ACTION: David to help Alistair to publish SKOS Core first WD


5.3 WordNet

No discussion.


5.5 Vocabulary management

TomB: dec 6 deadline is slipping a little ... have been in touch with
authors ... JimH is still williing to write intro in Jan when we have the
technical bits in place ... have been in touch with prism folks about the
prism bit ... other big piece is ralph's bit on sorting out which W3C specs
are most salient and current for VM ... one important function for this note
is as up to date and annotated selction of references ... there are so many
notes and specs that touch on the topic, so important to get that piece in
place ... so if we get the text about DC, FOAF, SKOS, PRISM, W3C specs ...
enough to produce a plausible draft for further discussion in jan ... so all
contributions by end of next week please ... so we can have a draft before
the hols.


5.6 RDF-in-HTML

No discussion.


5.7 ADTF

http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/archives/cat_applications_and_demos.html

Fabien: felix entered description of semweb challenges to the ADTF repos ...
what about the best way to publish and collect the demos?


5.8 RDFTM

Steve: RDFTM TF ahs started, have created a wiki at uni of bologna ...
asking TF members to check out existing material linked from wiki and to
provide feedback on test cases, bibliography, survey.  Fabio Vitali and
Valentina Prescutti have volunteered to edit the first deliverable (Survey
of existing proposals).  Also ralph has some docs to post on W3C website.  


5.9 Tutorial Page

david: no updates, any suggestion ping tom directly.


AOB

Telecon Times:

David: proposal made to list to have a single telecon time as either 1800 or
1900 UTC every second thursday.

General consensus supporting preference for 1800UTC.

David: so far we have no reason not to plan for 1800 UTC ... need to confirm
with Guus and others on the list. Next telecon is 1900 UTC December 16 use
this telecon to catch all comments, other offline comments suggest 1800UTC
looks OK.

PROPOSED: david proposes to move telecon times for 2005 at 1800UTC on
alternating thursdays
chris seconds.
no objections.
MOVED.

End of telecon.
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Alistair Miles
Research Associate
CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
Building R1 Room 1.60
Fermi Avenue
Chilton
Didcot
Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
United Kingdom
Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440

---
Alistair Miles
Research Associate
CCLRC - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
Building R1 Room 1.60
Fermi Avenue
Chilton
Didcot
Oxfordshire OX11 0QX
United Kingdom
Email:        a.j.miles@rl.ac.uk
Tel: +44 (0)1235 445440
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