- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:11:03 -0700
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
Hi, Gang-
The minutes for the SVG WG telcon of Jan 29, 2009 can be found here:
http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-minutes.html
Or as text below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
29 Jan 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0068.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed__, heycam, [IPcaller], Shepazu, anthony, Chris
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Doug
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Issue-2007
2. [6]SVG Full 1.2 scratchspace module
3. [7]ISSUE-2205
4. [8]ISSUE-2095
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 29 January 2009
<ChrisL> i'm getting an "engaged" signal when dialing zakim. Anyone
else having problems?
<scribe> scribe: Doug
<scribe> scribeNick: shepazu
Issue-2007
Issue-2007?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2007 -- 'enable-background' Property Duplicated in
Compositing and Filters Modules -- RAISED
<trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2007
[10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2007
<ed__>
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/006
6.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0066.html
anthony: I ran across this while doing my actions regarding the
compositing module
... seems like there's an incompatibility
... I'm looking into whether there is an incompatibility
... the original compositing module from SVG Full 1.2 followed the
Adobe model, so that might be the reason
... I'll confirm this by next week
ed: so, is the wording in your module different than that in 1.2
Full, or is it only with filters?
anthony: no, it's close to what was in Full 1.2
... I did take the wording closely from the filters module
... so the incompatibility arises between compositing and filtering
... when you composite in filters using feComposite, it ends up
compositing the background twice, whereas with compositing module,
it just writes it to a buffer
... that is, all the child elements you composite
... the example shows the differences quite clearly
... and there are differences between "accumulate" and "new"
shepazu: is it possible to use both values, and maybe use an
attribute value to switch between them?
ed: we could have 2 behaviors, because it's used in different
contexts, but do we want that?
... in filters, it's only used when you have @enable-background
<ed__> and only when the keyword BackgroundImage is used in the
filter
<ed__> and BackgroundAlpha
anthony: also, in the compositing module, I do talk about access to
the background
... we can talk about this at the f2f
... for printing, it may be necessary to keep the Compositing module
as it is
ed: you would get something drawn if you used enablebackground on
the root and didn't use any CompOps, right?
anthony: yes, it is technically an error if you don't have a
background
ed: yes, let's talk about it at the F2F... I can add that to the
agenda page
... there is the question of how much content would change if we
changed filters
anthony: I am not convinced that we would need to change the
behavior of filters
ed: so you're recommending that we keep both behaviors
anthony: yes, if that's possible... maybe we could change names of
the attributes, to make a distinction
<anthony>
[12]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/compositing/master/SVGCompositing.
html
[12]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/compositing/master/SVGCompositing.html
anthony: I did make some of the changes Erik requested
... I added in the greater-than/less-than for the optional
x/y/width/height values
... and added a definition for them as well
... should we hold off publication, or go ahead?
shepazu: how about we wait until after the f2f
SVG Full 1.2 scratchspace module
ed: I think it might be good to at least start the framework for the
next major spec
... something that brings in Tiny with the Modules
... some of the stuff is best not done in modules, such as cleaning
up the SVG DOM
heycam: animation doesn't correspond to a module, either
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/01
73.html
[13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0173.html
shepazu: this is from mozilla's review of widgets
... the basic issue is around different use profiles
[14]http://www.schepers.cc/svg/blendups/embedding.html
[14] http://www.schepers.cc/svg/blendups/embedding.html
shepazu: I don't talk there about multimedia, but that's another
issue (audio, video)
heycam: what's the purpose of this scratchspace?
... is it all the stuff that doesn't fit in a module, along with how
to integrate the modules together?
ed: yes, we do need to start someplace to put all that
shepazu: I think we can just start this spec, and decide later
exactly how we are going to put the next spec together
ed: I don't think most of the raised issues would fit in an
established module
... we can at least start the work in this scratch module
... we can split parts out later, if we decide that's best
... we could all be editors
shepazu: yeah, I'm happy to start it and add some structure
... I'd like the featurestrings to be derived automatically from the
schema
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to start core/scratch module [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2426 - Start core/scratch module [on Doug
Schepers - due 2009-02-05].
ISSUE-2205
ISSUE-2205?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2205 -- Consider adding support for stretched,
wrapped text in a <textArea> -- RAISED
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2205
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2205
shepazu: this is interesting... it's quite different than justifying
ed: it's similar to SVG 1.1's length-adjust
heycam: yes, but that doesn't change the font size
<ed__> lengthAdjust = "spacing|spacingAndGlyphs"
<ed__> [17]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#TextElement
[17] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#TextElement
lengthAdjust = "spacing|spacingAndGlyphs|fontSize" ?
heycam: could be good
shepazu: this is related (in a way) to sizing text to fit a box, and
vice versa
... in the case where you have fixed width, it would determine the
chunk size, and then adjust the font size accordingly, unlike your
example, where you've pre-chunked it
heycam: it would be less dramatic in that case
... in my example, I had to set width to auto, but it should be the
hardcoded value of 360
ISSUE-2095
ISSUE-2095?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2095 -- Algorithm for soft-light blend mode --
RAISED
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2095
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2095
<ed__>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/006
9.html
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0069.html
ed: this is for the compositing module
<ed__>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/003
6.html
[20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0036.html
ed: this email has the algorithms
... is there any reason to differ from PDF?
anthony: if we're going to follow the Adobe compositing model, then
it make sense what's in the ISO PDF spec
Resolution: we will use the algorithms for the soft-light Color
Dodge and Color Burn in the compositing module
<scribe> ACTION: anthony to use the formulae from ISSUE-2095 to
update the Compositing module [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2427 - Use the formulae from ISSUE-2095 to
update the Compositing module [on Anthony Grasso - due 2009-02-05].
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: anthony to use the formulae from ISSUE-2095 to update
the Compositing module [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to start core/scratch module [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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