- From: Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:10:56 -0400
- To: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Cc: public-svg-a11y@w3.org
- Message-Id: <201604041517.u34FHVfX030025@d03av05.boulder.ibm.com>
Joanie, My apologies for using your name as a shortcut for the both linux and Apple. Joanie DOES think the pointer should be exposed in Linux. This exposure is in addition to exposure through the computed name. Furthermore, the pointer *is already being exposed* for SVG elements with aria-labelledby. Joanie fixed that bug (along with some parallel issues) upstream a couple of weeks ago: https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/198254. Are any sections/testable statements in the wiki are wrong given your fix? (Not including stuff that is still an open issue). We have an agenda issue for Wednesday Difference between testable statements in wiki and spec Webkit doesn't follow the spec for name - the spec has requirements for exposing labelledby, webkit doesn't bother - neither linux (Joanie) or apple see a current need for exposing labelledby https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Mar/0049.html Rich filed a bug on my request and if we agree labelledby doesn't need to be expose we need to remove the bug It sounds like linux (Joanie) follows the spec but apple doesn't - is this correct? What would a better description of the issue be? How about? Difference between testable statements in wiki and spec Apple doesn't follow the spec for name - the spec has requirements for exposing labelledby, apple doesn't see a current need for exposing labelledby https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Mar/0049.html Rich filed a bug on my request and if we agree labelledby doesn't need to be expose we need to remove the bug Regards, Fred Esch Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility IBM Watson Watson Release Management and Quality From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com> To: Fred Esch/Arlington/IBM@IBMUS Cc: public-svg-a11y@w3.org Date: 04/01/2016 02:02 PM Subject: Re: SVG accessibility new issues Hey Fred, all. Some clarifications regarding this item: On 03/30/2016 03:43 PM, Fred Esch wrote: > *Difference between testable statements in wiki and spec* > Webkit doesn't follow the spec for name - the spec has requirements for > exposing labelledby, webkit doesn't bother - neither linux (Joanie) or > apple see a current need for exposing labelledby Joanie doesn't see any point to exposing a pointer via AXTitleUIElement in the case of OS X if Apple doesn't see the need, VoiceOver doesn't do the wrong thing without this pointer, etc. It's Apple's platform; not Joanie's. And Joanie respects that. :) And the labelledby value IS exposed through the computed name (aka AXDescription). Joanie DOES think the pointer should be exposed in Linux. This exposure is in addition to exposure through the computed name. Furthermore, the pointer *is already being exposed* for SVG elements with aria-labelledby. Joanie fixed that bug (along with some parallel issues) upstream a couple of weeks ago: https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/198254. For those of you who like layout tests (who doesn't love layout tests?): If you look at https://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/accessibility/w3c-svg-name-calculation-expected.txt#L1 , you'll notice a bunch of "AXTitleUIElement: non-null" lines (In the case of Linux, "AXTitleUIElement" is layout-test speak for "the object referenced by ATK_RELATION_LABELLED_BY". Thus that file documents the fact that WebKit DOES bother for Linux.) Sorry for any confusion or lack of clarity on this matter in my previous communications. And please let me know if anything remains unclear. Thanks! --joanie > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Mar/0049.html > Rich filed a bug on my request and if we agree labelledby doesn't need > to be expose we need to remove the bug > > > > Regards, > > Fred Esch > Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility > IBM Watson Watson Release Management and Quality > > >
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