Re: [Conformance] Definition of Compliance vs. conformance

Another solution would be to define the terms for our own use, but not 
try to put them in a normative glossary.


On 12/9/2021 6:24 PM, Susana Pallero wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Peter. I think it is very important to differentiate both 
> terms.
>
> But I understand the confusion when reading the ISO standards.
>
> Maybe a clarification including that may work?
> Adding something like "even though in several situations these terms 
> are used interchangeably, for the W3C standards purpose they are well 
> differentiated".
>
> On another note, I propose we change "cf conformance" for the entire 
> word that shows the meaning. As a person that don't speak native 
> English I use the browser's translator motor several times to read the 
> W3C content and when used the "cf" is not translated and meaning is lost.
>
> Sorry I couldn't add this during our meeting but it was my first and 
> didn't know I had to add the "Q+" on IRC chat to talk.
>
> Thanks so much for welcoming me today, it is a pleasure to be part of 
> the team.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 PM Korn, Peter <pkorn@lab126.com> wrote:
>
>     Mary Jo, Katie,
>
>     We may well be trying to hold back the tide, but I DO believe the
>     distinct is very important in our work, and I think it is valuable
>     to make a distinction, even if only for WCAG 3.  It may be that
>     when WCAG 3 gets “transposed” into other standards (e.g. EN 301
>     549) they will change or drop those glossary entries.  But then
>     again, what WCAG 2.x has done has driven an awful lot of other
>     things; maybe it will here as well.
>
>     Peter
>
>     P.S. I also know that one gets between Gregg and his arguments at
>     one’s peril!
>
>     --
>
>     Peter Korn (he/him/his) | Director, Accessibility | Amazon Lab126
>
>     pkorn@amazon.com
>
>     *From: *Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
>     *Date: *Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 1:59 PM
>     *To: *Mary Jo Mueller <maryjom@us.ibm.com>
>     *Cc: *Silver Community Group <public-silver@w3.org>
>     *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [Conformance] Definition of Compliance
>     vs. conformance
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>     *Resent-Date: *Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 1:57 PM
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>     I hear Gregg Vanderheiden in my ear saying "You comply with laws
>     and conform to standards" from years ago. Not sure he trumps
>     standards bodies....
>
>     On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 4:45 PM Mary Jo Mueller <maryjom@us.ibm.com>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         After the meeting I was addressing some input from a colleague
>         on definitions and what is already defined and available in
>         ISO and IEC standards.  Since standards harmonization is a
>         definite concern, it seems there's a variety of usage and
>         definition of "Compliance", "Comply", "Conformance", Conform"
>         and in ISO and IEC standards there are multiple instances
>         where the definition of one of these terms includes the other
>         term. So I'm not sure how successful we will be trying to
>         tease apart terms that have been clearly used interchangeably
>         for a while.
>
>         Here's a link to the ISO standards page where you can perform
>         a search on terms to see how they are defined and in what
>         standards they are defined.
>
>         ·*ISO*Online Browsing Platform (OBP)
>         https://www.iso.org/obp/ui <https://www.iso.org/obp/ui>and
>         select the *Terms & Definitions* radio button
>
>         ·*IEC*maintains its own platform, similar to ISO
>         https://www.electropedia.org/
>         <https://www.electropedia.org/>and check the *Search also in
>         definitions* checkbox. For example:
>
>
>         For example from an IEC Internet of Things standard:
>
>         *
>         compliance*
>
>          
>          
>
>          
>          
>
>         characteristic
>         <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=741-01-06> of
>         conformance to rules, such as those defined by a law, a
>         regulation
>         <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=901-02-10>,
>         a standard
>         <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=901-02-02>,
>         or a policy
>
>
>
>         So maybe we should just concede that these are used
>         interchangeably and use this definition.
>
>         Best regards,
>
>         Mary Jo
>         _____________________________________________
>         *Mary Jo Mueller*
>         Accessibility Standards Program Manager
>         IBM Accessibility
>
>
>          
>
>
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