Re: [Conformance] Definition of Compliance vs. conformance

Hi all,

I agree with Peter. I think it is very important to differentiate both
terms.

But I understand the confusion when reading the ISO standards.

Maybe a clarification including that may work?
Adding something like "even though in several situations these terms are
used interchangeably, for the W3C standards purpose they are well
differentiated".

On another note, I propose we change "cf conformance" for the entire word
that shows the meaning. As a person that don't speak native English I use
the browser's translator motor several times to read the W3C content and
when used the "cf" is not translated and meaning is lost.

Sorry I couldn't add this during our meeting but it was my first and didn't
know I had to add the "Q+" on IRC chat to talk.

Thanks so much for welcoming me today, it is a pleasure to be part of the
team.

Regards,


On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 PM Korn, Peter <pkorn@lab126.com> wrote:

> Mary Jo, Katie,
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> We may well be trying to hold back the tide, but I DO believe the distinct
> is very important in our work, and I think it is valuable to make a
> distinction, even if only for WCAG 3.  It may be that when WCAG 3 gets
> “transposed” into other standards (e.g. EN 301 549) they will change or
> drop those glossary entries.  But then again, what WCAG 2.x has done has
> driven an awful lot of other things; maybe it will here as well.
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> Peter
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> P.S. I also know that one gets between Gregg and his arguments at one’s
> peril!
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> *From: *Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 1:59 PM
> *To: *Mary Jo Mueller <maryjom@us.ibm.com>
> *Cc: *Silver Community Group <public-silver@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [Conformance] Definition of Compliance vs.
> conformance
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> I hear Gregg Vanderheiden in my ear saying "You comply with laws and
> conform to standards" from years ago. Not sure he trumps standards
> bodies....
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> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 4:45 PM Mary Jo Mueller <maryjom@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> After the meeting I was addressing some input from a colleague on
> definitions and what is already defined and available in ISO and IEC
> standards.  Since standards harmonization is a definite concern, it seems
> there's a variety of usage and definition of "Compliance", "Comply",
> "Conformance", Conform" and in ISO and IEC standards there are multiple
> instances where the definition of one of these terms includes the other
> term. So I'm not sure how successful we will be trying to tease apart terms
> that have been clearly used interchangeably for a while.
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> Here's a link to the ISO standards page where you can perform a search on
> terms to see how they are defined and in what standards they are defined.
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> · *ISO* Online Browsing Platform (OBP) https://www.iso.org/obp/uiand
> select the *Terms & Definitions* radio button
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> · *IEC* maintains its own platform, similar to ISO
> https://www.electropedia.org/and check the *Search also in definitions*
> checkbox.  For example:
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> For example from an IEC Internet of Things standard:
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> * compliance*
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> characteristic
> <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=741-01-06> of
> conformance to rules, such as those defined by a law, a regulation
> <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=901-02-10>,
> a standard
> <https://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&ievref=901-02-02>,
> or a policy
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> So maybe we should just concede that these are used interchangeably and
> use this definition.
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> Best regards,
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> Mary Jo
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> IBM Accessibility
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