Re: state of the art

Leo,

Can you clarify what you mean by saying Twine is "closed"?  I have trouble
understanding how people in this community use the terms "open" and "closed"
with respect to tools.
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Thanks for keeping up the discussion
>
> I agree that twine may not be 'open' and ideal, however basically anyone
> can add things to twine, while the ESW I am not sure we can all edit? (sorry
> if I am out of date on developments there).
>
> Also, does anyone else thinks that the GUI of the page below could be
> improved and wonder if that tells something :
>
>  http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebUsability
>
>
> Also, ideally,  shouldnt we all be able to publish thing where we favour,
> and then link them?
>
> do we need an ontology of semantic web usability expressed in RDF? or
> something?
>
> I would like to link our workshop stuff papers, presentations etc) from
> ASWC in Bangkok, too
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> twine is closed, I would rather propose to use the ESW wiki by W3C.
>>
>> I can't contribute nor coordinate this the next months, I just moved to
>> vienna
>> and need to get internet and other things....
>>
>> best
>> Leo
>>
>> It was Tim rdf who said at the right time 27.06.2009 00:30 the following
>> words:
>>
>> Leo,
>>
>> I am very much interested in the objectives you outline and would like to
>> contribute. I will follow the additions to the wiki.
>>
>> I created two Twines for Semantic Web Usability a while ago, but have not
>> found anyone interested in the topic. Please feel free to tuck things there
>> as well -- perhaps we could get some critical mass. Within a twine, we can
>> comment on each artifact we post.
>>
>> http://www.twine.com/twine/116nk1j23-c11/semantic-web-user-interfaces
>>
>> http://www.twine.com/twine/116nlm5b5-c21/semantic-web-user-interaction
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim Lebo
>>
>>
>>
>>> I like the idea of a collection of state-of-the-art, and will contribute,
>>> but only if I can edit myself and am sure that the state-of-the-art will be
>>> there the next years in public domain.
>>> The place where I am sure that it will remain open, and which is already
>>> the place where all other discussions about the Semantic Web happen, is the
>>> ESW wiki.
>>> I added a page here for you:
>>>  http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebUsability
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Rather, take exsiting tools and compare them against the vision -
>>>  can your grandma find a doctor in her neighbourhood that will accept her
>>> Health Insurance and treat her illness?
>>> (This was the guiding example of "The Semantic Web", 2001, Timbl et al)
>>> so - can facetted browisng help?
>>> can xy help?
>>>
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> best
>>> Leo
>>>
>>> I would also humbly suggest to look at the usability concerns that are
>>> addressed in KDE 4.0, which has an RDF based metadata layer.
>>> In our NEPOMUK project we are currently working on the biggest deployment
>>> of Semantic Web technology (especially RDF) ever, reaching half of all linux
>>> users... much usability to study there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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