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Re: To use or not to use recommended metadata in a W3C ontology ?

From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 12:41:38 -0800
To: Maxime Lefrançois <maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr>, Ghislain Atemezing <ghislain.atemezing@mondeca.com>
Cc: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <f66b32d6-64c3-fd6a-5f67-0db6128a770b@ucsb.edu>
On 02/07/2017 12:22 PM, Maxime Lefrançois wrote:
> Just to mention: FOAF should *not* be part of that list of well 
> established, stable standards developed by some important organization.
> Although it's a good example of very well used ontology.
> But that's off topic.

I fully agree.

>
>
> Le mar. 7 févr. 2017 à 21:05, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu 
> <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> a écrit :
>
>     On 02/07/2017 11:53 AM, Maxime Lefrançois wrote:
>>     I don't want to debate for years, and I'm well aware that we are
>>     not dealing with a simple research project here, may it be from
>>     the EU, or from any other continent.
>>
>>     Your arguments seem reasonable, although I could make the point
>>     that voaf and vann are not proposed to be *imported*. Hence
>>     whenever these ontologies would disappear from the web, nothing
>>     would break.
>
>     Thanks. I am really not trying to play the bad guy here :-), just
>     pointing to a perspective that I hear all day long from government
>     players and the industry. For a long time, I absolutely did not
>     get their point and arguments but I have now simply accepted it as
>     a fact that my perspective as a researcher is different from their
>     perspective (even if I believe that they are being overly
>     conservative).
>
>>
>>     I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on
>>     the rest of the integration, and there is a long way to go.
>
>     Agreed! Thanks. Let us move on to the remaining issues we have
>     left. I am really looking forward to having SOSA/SSN out there and
>     starting to collect implementation evidence.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Jano
>
>
>
>>
>>     Anyways.That's 2 against 1 for now, I suggest in the absence of
>>     any mail to this thread within a few days and any change in the
>>     balance, I simply remove these metadata from the ontologies.
>>
>>     I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on
>>     the rest of the integration, and there is a long way to go.
>>     Let's move on to the other metadata and issues ?
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Maxime
>>
>>     Le mar. 7 févr. 2017 à 20:19, Krzysztof Janowicz
>>     <janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> a écrit :
>>
>>         On 02/07/2017 10:49 AM, Ghislain Atemezing wrote:
>>>         Hello,
>>>>         Le 7 févr. 2017 à 19:41, Maxime Lefrançois
>>>>         <maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr
>>>>         <mailto:maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>         The proposed integration methodology (seereadme.md
>>>>         <http://readme.md/>) includes the following item:
>>>>
>>>>         - be conformant with the linked vocabulary best practices
>>>>         athttp://lov.okfn.org/Recommendations_Vocabulary_Design.pdf
>>>>
>>>>         These best practices encourage among other to use
>>>>         vocabularies vann and voaf.
>>>
>>>         IMHO that document is not a “Bible" :)
>>
>>         Yes, not only is this not a 'bible', it is also that the
>>         industry and large government agencies operate completely
>>         differently than researchers and individual research
>>         projects. Many government and industry partners simple cannot
>>         use the small ontologies/vocabularies developed by students,
>>         postdocs, EU projects, and so forth, because they have to
>>         commit to offering many, many years of support for their
>>         customers and in many cases they are even forced by law to
>>         only use standardized work. Please, let us not make SOSA/SSN
>>         difficult to use by introducing many new properties (and the
>>         ontologies where they come from) for the sake of being
>>         perceived as innovative or what not.  This is not a research
>>         or university project but a long-term effort to generate a
>>         vocabulary for many years to come.
>>
>>         Krzysztof
>>
>>
>>>         Seriously, we can debate during years to on this but what is
>>>         important is that there should be enough metadata to better
>>>         understand and discover the ontology.
>>>         If for that you use ex:, vann, or voaf, I think that’s not
>>>         the point.
>>>
>>>         The “Bible” might be this one
>>>         https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataVocabularies (BP 15 in a REC
>>>         doc )
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>
>>>         Ghislain
>>>
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>>>         R&D Engineer SemWeb
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>>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Krzysztof Janowicz
>>
>>         Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>>         4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>>
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>>         Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ <http://geog.ucsb.edu/%7Ejano/>
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>>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Krzysztof Janowicz
>
>     Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
>     4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>
>     Email:jano@geog.ucsb.edu <mailto:jano@geog.ucsb.edu>
>     Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ <http://geog.ucsb.edu/%7Ejano/>
>     Semantic Web Journal:http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
>


-- 
Krzysztof Janowicz

Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060

Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu
Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
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