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Re: To use or not to use recommended metadata in a W3C ontology ?

From: Maxime Lefrançois <maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr>
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:22:28 +0000
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To: janowicz@ucsb.edu, Ghislain Atemezing <ghislain.atemezing@mondeca.com>
Cc: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Just to mention: FOAF should *not* be part of that list of well
established, stable standards developed by some important organization.
Although it's a good example of very well used ontology.
But that's off topic.


Le mar. 7 févr. 2017 à 21:05, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu> a
écrit :

> On 02/07/2017 11:53 AM, Maxime Lefrançois wrote:
>
> I don't want to debate for years, and I'm well aware that we are not
> dealing with a simple research project here, may it be from the EU, or from
> any other continent.
>
> Your arguments seem reasonable, although I could make the point that voaf
> and vann are not proposed to be *imported*. Hence whenever these ontologies
> would disappear from the web, nothing would break.
>
>
> Thanks. I am really not trying to play the bad guy here :-), just pointing
> to a perspective that I hear all day long from government players and the
> industry. For a long time, I absolutely did not get their point and
> arguments but I have now simply accepted it as a fact that my perspective
> as a researcher is different from their perspective (even if I believe that
> they are being overly conservative).
>
>
> I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on the rest
> of the integration, and there is a long way to go.
>
>
> Agreed! Thanks. Let us move on to the remaining issues we have left. I am
> really looking forward to having SOSA/SSN out there and starting to collect
> implementation evidence.
>
> Cheers,
> Jano
>
>
>
>
> Anyways.That's 2 against 1 for now, I suggest in the absence of any mail
> to this thread within a few days and any change in the balance, I simply
> remove these metadata from the ontologies.
>
> I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on the rest
> of the integration, and there is a long way to go.
> Let's move on to the other metadata and issues ?
>
> Best,
> Maxime
>
> Le mar. 7 févr. 2017 à 20:19, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu> a
> écrit :
>
> On 02/07/2017 10:49 AM, Ghislain Atemezing wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Le 7 févr. 2017 à 19:41, Maxime Lefrançois <maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr> a
> écrit :
>
> The proposed integration methodology (see readme.md) includes the
> following item:
>
> - be conformant with the linked vocabulary best practices at
> http://lov.okfn.org/Recommendations_Vocabulary_Design.pdf
>
> These best practices encourage among other to use vocabularies vann and
> voaf.
>
>
> IMHO that document is not a “Bible" :)
>
>
> Yes, not only is this not a 'bible', it is also that the industry and
> large government agencies operate completely differently than researchers
> and individual research projects. Many government and industry partners
> simple cannot use the small ontologies/vocabularies developed by students,
> postdocs, EU projects, and so forth, because they have to commit to
> offering many, many years of support for their customers and in many cases
> they are even forced by law to only use standardized work. Please, let us
> not make SOSA/SSN difficult to use by introducing many new properties (and
> the ontologies where they come from) for the sake of being perceived as
> innovative or what not.  This is not a research or university project but a
> long-term effort to generate a vocabulary for many years to come.
>
> Krzysztof
>
>
> Seriously, we can debate during years to on this but what is important is
> that there should be enough metadata to better understand and discover the
> ontology.
> If for that you use ex:, vann, or voaf, I think that’s not the point.
>
> The “Bible” might be this one https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataVocabularies (BP
> 15 in a REC doc )
>
> Best,
>
> Ghislain
>
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>
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>
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