Re: To use or not to use recommended metadata in a W3C ontology ?

On 02/07/2017 11:53 AM, Maxime Lefrançois wrote:
> I don't want to debate for years, and I'm well aware that we are not 
> dealing with a simple research project here, may it be from the EU, or 
> from any other continent.
>
> Your arguments seem reasonable, although I could make the point that 
> voaf and vann are not proposed to be *imported*. Hence whenever these 
> ontologies would disappear from the web, nothing would break.

Thanks. I am really not trying to play the bad guy here :-), just 
pointing to a perspective that I hear all day long from government 
players and the industry. For a long time, I absolutely did not get 
their point and arguments but I have now simply accepted it as a fact 
that my perspective as a researcher is different from their perspective 
(even if I believe that they are being overly conservative).

>
> I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on the 
> rest of the integration, and there is a long way to go.

Agreed! Thanks. Let us move on to the remaining issues we have left. I 
am really looking forward to having SOSA/SSN out there and starting to 
collect implementation evidence.

Cheers,
Jano


>
> Anyways.That's 2 against 1 for now, I suggest in the absence of any 
> mail to this thread within a few days and any change in the balance, I 
> simply remove these metadata from the ontologies.
>
> I'm also aware that we need to get some consensus pretty fast on the 
> rest of the integration, and there is a long way to go.
> Let's move on to the other metadata and issues ?
>
> Best,
> Maxime
>
> Le mar. 7 févr. 2017 à 20:19, Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu 
> <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> a écrit :
>
>     On 02/07/2017 10:49 AM, Ghislain Atemezing wrote:
>>     Hello,
>>>     Le 7 févr. 2017 à 19:41, Maxime Lefrançois
>>>     <maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr <mailto:maxime.lefrancois@emse.fr>> a
>>>     écrit :
>>>
>>>     The proposed integration methodology (seereadme.md
>>>     <http://readme.md/>) includes the following item:
>>>
>>>     - be conformant with the linked vocabulary best practices
>>>     athttp://lov.okfn.org/Recommendations_Vocabulary_Design.pdf
>>>
>>>     These best practices encourage among other to use vocabularies
>>>     vann and voaf.
>>
>>     IMHO that document is not a “Bible" :)
>
>     Yes, not only is this not a 'bible', it is also that the industry
>     and large government agencies operate completely differently than
>     researchers and individual research projects. Many government and
>     industry partners simple cannot use the small
>     ontologies/vocabularies developed by students, postdocs, EU
>     projects, and so forth, because they have to commit to offering
>     many, many years of support for their customers and in many cases
>     they are even forced by law to only use standardized work. Please,
>     let us not make SOSA/SSN difficult to use by introducing many new
>     properties (and the ontologies where they come from) for the sake
>     of being perceived as innovative or what not.  This is not a
>     research or university project but a long-term effort to generate
>     a vocabulary for many years to come.
>
>     Krzysztof
>
>
>>     Seriously, we can debate during years to on this but what is
>>     important is that there should be enough metadata to better
>>     understand and discover the ontology.
>>     If for that you use ex:, vann, or voaf, I think that’s not the
>>     point.
>>
>>     The “Bible” might be this one
>>     https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataVocabularies (BP 15 in a REC doc )
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Ghislain
>>
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>>
>
>
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>
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>
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Krzysztof Janowicz

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