- From: Hans Polak <info@polak.es>
- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:40:49 +0100
- To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
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Spain has something similar; Estado de la nación. - State of the nation.
Cheers,
Hans Polak
On 03/18/2017 07:52 AM, Thomas Francart wrote:
>
> StateOfUnionReport sounds US-centric (?)
>
>
> Le 17 mars 2017 21:09, "R.V.Guha" <guha@guha.com
> <mailto:guha@guha.com>> a écrit :
>
> Revised, highly simplified first step for the core.
>
> Political Discourse Vocabulary
>
>
> New subClass of CreativeWork: Speech, PressRelease,
> HeadOfStateStatement, Proclamation, ExecutiveAction
>
>
> New subClass of Speech: InauguralAddress, CommencementAddress,
> CampaignSpeech, StateOfUnionReport
>
>
> New subClass of Event: PressEvent
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com
> <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:
>
> On 16 March 2017 at 21:55, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
> <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
> > You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name
> for it.
>
> There are various overlapping ways in which these things might be
> organized wr.t. "named hosted extension" subdomains ("lega"
> has been
> mentioned for related work around legislation, courts etc;
> "civic" is
> also in the air). My suggestion would be to asap get the basic
> term
> definitions drafted into the "pending" section so that they can be
> used and tested, and worry about how to name packages of terms
> as a
> separable problem. Any attempt to partition vocab is always tricky
> (e.g. ClaimReview for fact-checking is also
> discourse/argumentation)
> but it shouldn't stop us from getting the basics in place. I'd
> also
> like to see the earlier Legislation proposal progress, and
> wouldn't
> want to slow either of these down by forcing a big debate for
> whether
> they are part of a big "legal" vs "civic" vs "discourse"
> section....
>
> Dan
>
> ps. we also have http://pending.schema.org/Quotation
> <http://pending.schema.org/Quotation> which has some
> discussion in
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271
> <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271> around
> citations and date/time details
>
>
> > guha
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte
> <songofapollo@gmail.com <mailto:songofapollo@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this
> is about
> >> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the
> sorts of arguments
> >> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something
> along the lines of
> >> AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/
> <http://www.ai.sri.com/%7Eseas/aml/>
> >>
> >> or what this W3C group is working on:
> >> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
> <https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/>
> >>
> >> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning:
> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric>
> >>
> >> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about content and style.
> >>
> >> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events,
> of venues where
> >> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of
> documents a US
> >> President might issue (and others have noted the
> US-centricity of it).
> >> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of
> things Presidents
> >> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases.
> >>
> >> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be
> narrowed down
> >> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought
> that rhetoric
> >> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another
> audience, etc.,
> >> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care
> about are chief
> >> executives of countries. That's not even half of the
> goings-on in the domain
> >> of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing
> statements or
> >> orders. There are legislators, governors, state
> legislators, lobbyists,
> >> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the
> speeches-and-releases
> >> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but
> people outside of
> >> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some
> important things about
> >> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it
> something more like
> >> Political Events or Political Addresses.
> >>
> >> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some
> point in the
> >> next or so – I own argumentbase.com
> <http://argumentbase.com> (there's nothing there yet), but I plan
> >> to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly
> political in nature),
> >> including evidence quality, which will be very interesting
> and perilous as
> >> far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious
> political biases
> >> (I'm the lead author of this paper, so I'm always worried
> about political
> >> bias.) I'll need a lot of help to keep it clean and
> maximally useful.
> >>
> >> Ciao,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
> <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both.
> >>>
> >>> guha
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon
> <eric.franzon@gmail.com <mailto:eric.franzon@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific
> to the country
> >>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities
> such as those in
> >>>> this page:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches
> <https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches>
> >>>>
> >>>> --Eric
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
> <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both
> "InauguralAddress" and
> >>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we
> adopt a less US-centric
> >>>>>> prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up
> with requests for
> >>>>>> near-identical classes for many other major countries.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger
> set of
> >>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion
> of replacing USP
> >>>>> with HOS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> guha
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Eric Axel Franzon
> >>>>
> >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon>
> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel
> >>>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon
> <http://gplus.to/ericfranzon>
> >>>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
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