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Re: Political Rhetoric Vocabulary

From: Hans Polak <info@polak.es>
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:40:49 +0100
To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
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Spain has something similar; Estado de la nación. - State of the nation.

Cheers,
Hans Polak



On 03/18/2017 07:52 AM, Thomas Francart wrote:
>
> StateOfUnionReport sounds US-centric (?)
>
>
> Le 17 mars 2017 21:09, "R.V.Guha" <guha@guha.com 
> <mailto:guha@guha.com>> a écrit :
>
>     Revised, highly simplified first step for the core.
>
>     Political Discourse Vocabulary
>
>
>     New subClass of CreativeWork: Speech, PressRelease,
>     HeadOfStateStatement, Proclamation, ExecutiveAction
>
>
>     New subClass of Speech: InauguralAddress, CommencementAddress,
>     CampaignSpeech, StateOfUnionReport
>
>
>     New subClass of Event: PressEvent
>
>
>     On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com
>     <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:
>
>         On 16 March 2017 at 21:55, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
>         <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
>         > You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name
>         for it.
>
>         There are various overlapping ways in which these things might be
>         organized wr.t. "named hosted extension" subdomains ("lega"
>         has been
>         mentioned for related work around legislation, courts etc;
>         "civic" is
>         also in the air). My suggestion would be to asap get the basic
>         term
>         definitions drafted into the "pending" section so that they can be
>         used and tested, and worry about how to name packages of terms
>         as a
>         separable problem. Any attempt to partition vocab is always tricky
>         (e.g. ClaimReview for fact-checking is also
>         discourse/argumentation)
>         but it shouldn't stop us from getting the basics in place. I'd
>         also
>         like to see the earlier Legislation proposal progress, and
>         wouldn't
>         want to slow either of these down by forcing a big debate for
>         whether
>         they are part of a big "legal" vs "civic" vs "discourse"
>         section....
>
>         Dan
>
>         ps. we also have http://pending.schema.org/Quotation
>         <http://pending.schema.org/Quotation> which has some
>         discussion in
>         https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271
>         <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271> around
>         citations and date/time details
>
>
>         > guha
>         >
>         > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte
>         <songofapollo@gmail.com <mailto:songofapollo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>         >>
>         >> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this
>         is about
>         >> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the
>         sorts of arguments
>         >> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something
>         along the lines of
>         >> AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/
>         <http://www.ai.sri.com/%7Eseas/aml/>
>         >>
>         >> or what this W3C group is working on:
>         >> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
>         <https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/>
>         >>
>         >> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning:
>         >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric
>         <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric>
>         >>
>         >> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about content and style.
>         >>
>         >> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events,
>         of venues where
>         >> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of
>         documents a US
>         >> President might issue (and others have noted the
>         US-centricity of it).
>         >> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of
>         things Presidents
>         >> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases.
>         >>
>         >> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be
>         narrowed down
>         >> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought
>         that rhetoric
>         >> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another
>         audience, etc.,
>         >> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care
>         about are chief
>         >> executives of countries. That's not even half of the
>         goings-on in the domain
>         >> of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing
>         statements or
>         >> orders. There are legislators, governors, state
>         legislators, lobbyists,
>         >> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the
>         speeches-and-releases
>         >> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but
>         people outside of
>         >> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some
>         important things about
>         >> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it
>         something more like
>         >> Political Events or Political Addresses.
>         >>
>         >> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some
>         point in the
>         >> next or so – I own argumentbase.com
>         <http://argumentbase.com> (there's nothing there yet), but I plan
>         >> to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly
>         political in nature),
>         >> including evidence quality, which will be very interesting
>         and perilous as
>         >> far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious
>         political biases
>         >> (I'm the lead author of this paper, so I'm always worried
>         about political
>         >> bias.) I'll need a lot of help to keep it clean and
>         maximally useful.
>         >>
>         >> Ciao,
>         >>
>         >> Joe
>         >>
>         >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
>         <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both.
>         >>>
>         >>> guha
>         >>>
>         >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon
>         <eric.franzon@gmail.com <mailto:eric.franzon@gmail.com>>
>         >>> wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific
>         to the country
>         >>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities
>         such as those in
>         >>>> this page:
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches
>         <https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> --Eric
>         >>>>
>         >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com
>         <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote:
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>> Hi,
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both
>         "InauguralAddress" and
>         >>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we
>         adopt a less US-centric
>         >>>>>> prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up
>         with requests for
>         >>>>>> near-identical classes for many other major countries.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger
>         set of
>         >>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion
>         of replacing USP
>         >>>>> with HOS.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> guha
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> --
>         >>>> Eric Axel Franzon
>         >>>>
>         >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon
>         <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon>
>         >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel
>         >>>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon
>         <http://gplus.to/ericfranzon>
>         >>>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>
>         >
>
>
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