- From: Hans Polak <info@polak.es>
- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:40:49 +0100
- To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
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Spain has something similar; Estado de la nación. - State of the nation. Cheers, Hans Polak On 03/18/2017 07:52 AM, Thomas Francart wrote: > > StateOfUnionReport sounds US-centric (?) > > > Le 17 mars 2017 21:09, "R.V.Guha" <guha@guha.com > <mailto:guha@guha.com>> a écrit : > > Revised, highly simplified first step for the core. > > Political Discourse Vocabulary > > > New subClass of CreativeWork: Speech, PressRelease, > HeadOfStateStatement, Proclamation, ExecutiveAction > > > New subClass of Speech: InauguralAddress, CommencementAddress, > CampaignSpeech, StateOfUnionReport > > > New subClass of Event: PressEvent > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com > <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote: > > On 16 March 2017 at 21:55, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com > <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote: > > You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name > for it. > > There are various overlapping ways in which these things might be > organized wr.t. "named hosted extension" subdomains ("lega" > has been > mentioned for related work around legislation, courts etc; > "civic" is > also in the air). My suggestion would be to asap get the basic > term > definitions drafted into the "pending" section so that they can be > used and tested, and worry about how to name packages of terms > as a > separable problem. Any attempt to partition vocab is always tricky > (e.g. ClaimReview for fact-checking is also > discourse/argumentation) > but it shouldn't stop us from getting the basics in place. I'd > also > like to see the earlier Legislation proposal progress, and > wouldn't > want to slow either of these down by forcing a big debate for > whether > they are part of a big "legal" vs "civic" vs "discourse" > section.... > > Dan > > ps. we also have http://pending.schema.org/Quotation > <http://pending.schema.org/Quotation> which has some > discussion in > https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271 > <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271> around > citations and date/time details > > > > guha > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte > <songofapollo@gmail.com <mailto:songofapollo@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this > is about > >> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the > sorts of arguments > >> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something > along the lines of > >> AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/ > <http://www.ai.sri.com/%7Eseas/aml/> > >> > >> or what this W3C group is working on: > >> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/ > <https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/> > >> > >> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning: > >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric > <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric> > >> > >> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about content and style. > >> > >> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, > of venues where > >> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of > documents a US > >> President might issue (and others have noted the > US-centricity of it). > >> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of > things Presidents > >> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases. > >> > >> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be > narrowed down > >> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought > that rhetoric > >> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another > audience, etc., > >> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care > about are chief > >> executives of countries. That's not even half of the > goings-on in the domain > >> of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing > statements or > >> orders. There are legislators, governors, state > legislators, lobbyists, > >> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the > speeches-and-releases > >> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but > people outside of > >> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some > important things about > >> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it > something more like > >> Political Events or Political Addresses. > >> > >> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some > point in the > >> next or so – I own argumentbase.com > <http://argumentbase.com> (there's nothing there yet), but I plan > >> to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly > political in nature), > >> including evidence quality, which will be very interesting > and perilous as > >> far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious > political biases > >> (I'm the lead author of this paper, so I'm always worried > about political > >> bias.) I'll need a lot of help to keep it clean and > maximally useful. > >> > >> Ciao, > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com > <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both. > >>> > >>> guha > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon > <eric.franzon@gmail.com <mailto:eric.franzon@gmail.com>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific > to the country > >>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities > such as those in > >>>> this page: > >>>> > >>>> > https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches > <https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches> > >>>> > >>>> --Eric > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com > <mailto:guha@guha.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both > "InauguralAddress" and > >>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we > adopt a less US-centric > >>>>>> prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up > with requests for > >>>>>> near-identical classes for many other major countries. > >>>>> > >>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger > set of > >>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion > of replacing USP > >>>>> with HOS. > >>>>> > >>>>> guha > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Eric Axel Franzon > >>>> > >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon> > >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel > >>>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon > <http://gplus.to/ericfranzon> > >>>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >
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