- From: Thomas Francart <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>
- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 07:52:07 +0100
- To: "R. V. Guha" <guha@guha.com>
- Cc: Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>, Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
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StateOfUnionReport sounds US-centric (?) Le 17 mars 2017 21:09, "R.V.Guha" <guha@guha.com> a écrit : > Revised, highly simplified first step for the core. > > Political Discourse Vocabulary > > New subClass of CreativeWork: Speech, PressRelease, HeadOfStateStatement, > Proclamation, ExecutiveAction > > New subClass of Speech: InauguralAddress, CommencementAddress, > CampaignSpeech, StateOfUnionReport > > New subClass of Event: PressEvent > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote: > >> On 16 March 2017 at 21:55, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote: >> > You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name for it. >> >> There are various overlapping ways in which these things might be >> organized wr.t. "named hosted extension" subdomains ("lega" has been >> mentioned for related work around legislation, courts etc; "civic" is >> also in the air). My suggestion would be to asap get the basic term >> definitions drafted into the "pending" section so that they can be >> used and tested, and worry about how to name packages of terms as a >> separable problem. Any attempt to partition vocab is always tricky >> (e.g. ClaimReview for fact-checking is also discourse/argumentation) >> but it shouldn't stop us from getting the basics in place. I'd also >> like to see the earlier Legislation proposal progress, and wouldn't >> want to slow either of these down by forcing a big debate for whether >> they are part of a big "legal" vs "civic" vs "discourse" section.... >> >> Dan >> >> ps. we also have http://pending.schema.org/Quotation which has some >> discussion in https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271 around >> citations and date/time details >> >> >> > guha >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this is about >> >> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the sorts of >> arguments >> >> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something along the >> lines of >> >> AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/ >> >> >> >> or what this W3C group is working on: >> >> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/ >> >> >> >> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning: >> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric >> >> >> >> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about content and style. >> >> >> >> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, of venues >> where >> >> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of documents a US >> >> President might issue (and others have noted the US-centricity of it). >> >> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of things >> Presidents >> >> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases. >> >> >> >> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be narrowed >> down >> >> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought that >> rhetoric >> >> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another audience, etc., >> >> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care about are >> chief >> >> executives of countries. That's not even half of the goings-on in the >> domain >> >> of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing statements or >> >> orders. There are legislators, governors, state legislators, lobbyists, >> >> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the >> speeches-and-releases >> >> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but people >> outside of >> >> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some important things >> about >> >> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it something more >> like >> >> Political Events or Political Addresses. >> >> >> >> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some point in >> the >> >> next or so – I own argumentbase.com (there's nothing there yet), but >> I plan >> >> to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly political in >> nature), >> >> including evidence quality, which will be very interesting and >> perilous as >> >> far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious political >> biases >> >> (I'm the lead author of this paper, so I'm always worried about >> political >> >> bias.) I'll need a lot of help to keep it clean and maximally useful. >> >> >> >> Ciao, >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both. >> >>> >> >>> guha >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific to the >> country >> >>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities such as >> those in >> >>>> this page: >> >>>> >> >>>> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-gove >> rnors-deliver-inaugural-speeches >> >>>> >> >>>> --Eric >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both "InauguralAddress" and >> >>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we adopt a less >> US-centric >> >>>>>> prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up with >> requests for >> >>>>>> near-identical classes for many other major countries. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger set of >> >>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion of >> replacing USP >> >>>>> with HOS. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> guha >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Eric Axel Franzon >> >>>> >> >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon >> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel >> >>>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon >> >>>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >
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