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Re: Political Rhetoric Vocabulary

From: R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:06:31 -0700
Message-ID: <CABieRRJwg9sgS_+5HV9OKqkAi-LABiECtszd7-nnVSf-SyebLA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
Cc: Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>, Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
Revised, highly simplified first step for the core.

Political Discourse Vocabulary

New subClass of CreativeWork: Speech, PressRelease, HeadOfStateStatement,
Proclamation, ExecutiveAction

New subClass of Speech: InauguralAddress, CommencementAddress,
CampaignSpeech, StateOfUnionReport

New subClass of Event: PressEvent


On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:

> On 16 March 2017 at 21:55, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
> > You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name for it.
>
> There are various overlapping ways in which these things might be
> organized wr.t. "named hosted extension" subdomains ("lega" has been
> mentioned for related work around legislation, courts etc; "civic" is
> also in the air). My suggestion would be to asap get the basic term
> definitions drafted into the "pending" section so that they can be
> used and tested, and worry about how to name packages of terms as a
> separable problem. Any attempt to partition vocab is always tricky
> (e.g. ClaimReview for fact-checking is also discourse/argumentation)
> but it shouldn't stop us from getting the basics in place. I'd also
> like to see the earlier Legislation proposal progress, and wouldn't
> want to slow either of these down by forcing a big debate for whether
> they are part of a big "legal" vs "civic" vs "discourse" section....
>
> Dan
>
> ps. we also have http://pending.schema.org/Quotation which has some
> discussion in https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271 around
> citations and date/time details
>
>
> > guha
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this is about
> >> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the sorts of
> arguments
> >> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something along the
> lines of
> >> AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/
> >>
> >> or what this W3C group is working on:
> >> https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
> >>
> >> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning:
> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric
> >>
> >> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about content and style.
> >>
> >> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, of venues
> where
> >> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of documents a US
> >> President might issue (and others have noted the US-centricity of it).
> >> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of things
> Presidents
> >> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases.
> >>
> >> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be narrowed down
> >> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought that
> rhetoric
> >> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another audience, etc.,
> >> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care about are
> chief
> >> executives of countries. That's not even half of the goings-on in the
> domain
> >> of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing statements or
> >> orders. There are legislators, governors, state legislators, lobbyists,
> >> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the speeches-and-releases
> >> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but people outside
> of
> >> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some important things
> about
> >> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it something more
> like
> >> Political Events or Political Addresses.
> >>
> >> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some point in the
> >> next or so – I own argumentbase.com (there's nothing there yet), but I
> plan
> >> to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly political in
> nature),
> >> including evidence quality, which will be very interesting and perilous
> as
> >> far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious political
> biases
> >> (I'm the lead author of this paper, so I'm always worried about
> political
> >> bias.) I'll need a lot of help to keep it clean and maximally useful.
> >>
> >> Ciao,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both.
> >>>
> >>> guha
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific to the
> country
> >>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities such as those
> in
> >>>> this page:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-
> governors-deliver-inaugural-speeches
> >>>>
> >>>> --Eric
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both "InauguralAddress" and
> >>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we adopt a less
> US-centric
> >>>>>> prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up with requests
> for
> >>>>>> near-identical classes for many other major countries.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger set of
> >>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion of replacing
> USP
> >>>>> with HOS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> guha
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Eric Axel Franzon
> >>>>
> >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon
> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel
> >>>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon
> >>>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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