Re: Fictional Universe (was: Re: Comics and periodicals in schema.org)

Peter,

That's true, the container type with property is not only a needed
corollary for Fiction.  The property can be called anything, in my mind.
 But perhaps a good term to include would be "media".  In fact, in Freebase
we have the Media Commons where Creative Work and Cataloged Instance have
their place : https://www.freebase.com/media_common?schema=&lang=en

So perhaps a better property name that would help everyone like marketers,
trade associations, librarians, and even the lowly collector would be
"partOfMediaDomain" or if everyone could live with the newer notion of
"partOfMediaFranchise" ... even if there is not an official Franchise
established.

In Freebase we use multiple types, and "X-men" could actually have brand
applied to it

1. My general point is this.... many folks and marketers, franchisees,
collectors will want to generalize and link their data about a Periodical
and Periodical Sets at "the Domain or Franchise level".
2. And other folks will want to refer to the team that is "X-men".

Two different types and needs there.  But where my suggestion is regarding
#1, the Domain or Franchise level  (fiction or non-fiction, as Peter
correctly states) and having a property for it under Periodical.

"I want to limit my search for Periodicals Only, regarding the Franchise
level of "X-men"... which in Schema.org stakeholder terms means: "X-men
 +periodical -toys -videos, -films, -video games"



On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Olson, Peter <polson@marvel.com> wrote:

> I'd also recommend keeping fictional schemas distinct from the structural
> bibliographical ones.  Comics don't necessarily take place in a fictional
> universe (or are even fictional - see
> http://www.amazon.com/The-11-Report-Graphic-Adaptation/dp/0809057395).
>  Marvel's comics don't all take place in one continuity, and DC has many
> continuities (well, sometimes they do).  Additionally, fictional universes
> can span multiple media - The Marvel Cinematic Universe, the Buffy-verse,
> the Star Wars universes all span multiple media (including comics, TV and
> movies).
>
> - peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Scott [mailto:denials@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:50 AM
> To: Thad Guidry
> Cc: Olson, Peter; public-schemabibex@w3.org; Henry Andrews
> Subject: Fictional Universe (was: Re: Comics and periodicals in schema.org
> )
>
> Hi Thad:
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The mention of the overlapping and continuing Comic Series of Xmen
> > over the years, reminded me of the need for a property to hold the
> > "fictional universe".
> >
> > I did not see a "fictional universe" that ties all series / brands
> > (from Peter's schema) / issues / stories.  Work in Progress ? (Comics
> > are fictional based, so any fiction-based periodical will probably
> > appreciate a property like that)
> >
> > We have the "Part of fictional universes" property in Freebase currently.
> > As a guide, please read the description along the top of :
> > https://www.freebase.com/fictional_universe/work_of_fiction?schema=
> >
> > and let's think about ways to incorporate it within the schema
> > proposal and where.
>
> Interesting! To keep the relevant scopes manageable, perhaps we should
> develop a "fictional universe" proposal separately from the Periodicals &
> Comics proposal?
>
> I could see something simple like the following quick and dirty approach
> working in the short term:
>
> """
> New type: CreativeWork -> FictionalUniverse
> Definition: ""Fictional universe", as used here, applies to the settings
> and characters of a fictional work or works.  The main purpose of the type
> is to gather works that belong to a common setting. Therefore, stand-alone
> works may not need to use this type.
> For example, the Buffyverse for works about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or
> the Foundation Universe for Isaac Asimov's Robot, Empire, and Foundation
> series." (credit Freebase)
>
> New property: partOfFictionalUniverse FictionalUniverse The fictional
> universe or universes that this work is associated with. (credit
> Freebase) (Domain: CreativeWork)
> """
>
> Beyond the short term, there are a number of properties at
> http://www.freebase.com/fictional_universe/fictional_universe?schema=
> that would require us to define types for characters, languages
> (fictional), calendar systems (fictional), etc, all of which would need to
> be coordinated with the TV and Radio types (as they currently don't define
> "characters" for example). So if we want to go beyond just the simple
> "aggregation of CreativeWorks" level and start creating FictionalCharacter,
> FictionalLanguage, and FictionalCalendarSystem types, I think it really
> needs to be its own proposal :)
>
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