Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

Thanks. My question was whether there are credentials such as for digital
encryption / signature that are wholly distinct from this concept of
credentials for badges, professional and academic credentialing? So I was
proposing a top level name of educationalCredential.

I may misunderstanding this part of the conversation so ignore me if so..

Steve
On Jun 20, 2016 10:50 AM, "Wes Turner" <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote:

> P: educationalCredentialAwarded
> d: Course
> r: {Text, Thing}
>
> Should this be
>
> P: credentialAwarded
> d:
> r: {Credential, CredentialInstance}
>
> P: educationalCredentialAwarded  (subPropertyOf) credentialAwarded
> d: Course
> r: {EducationalCredential, CredentialInstance}
>
> ...
>
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree > BachelorDegree
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certificate
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certification
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > OpenBadge
> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > cert-schema (OpenBadge +
> blockchain)
>
> *Are there instances where e.g. Certificate, Certification, and Badge*
> *are not EducationalCredentials*
> *(just regular Credentials)?*
>
> So,
> EducationalCredential may be more useful as an annotation class?
>
> CTI models this as credType, which requires a WHERE _ IN query to list
> things of this type (because there's no expansions of class lineage without
> Enumerated classes which are a subClassOf e.g. Credential or
> EducationalCredential or Degree or Certificate):
> * https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-222379559
>
> Scope justification:
> - https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-223663304
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/06/16 12:26, Dan Brickley wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 June 2016 at 17:32, Steve Midgley <steve@learningtapestry.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that credential has many meanings across industries. I agree we
>>>> should try to find a term that unambiguously locates this credential as
>>>> educational. So, being a frequent simpleton, I'll suggest
>>>> "educationalCredential"
>>>>
>>> This is an improvement.
>>>
>>> A friend I was talking to over the weekend suggested using the related
>>> term "accreditation". How does that sound to this community? To my
>>> ears it has all the right associations, and is much less evocative of
>>> lower-level technical notions of credential...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> OK. As property name I am going to suggest educationalCredentialAwarded
>> because we might in the future want EducationalCredential as a class name.
>>
>> So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people can
>> search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher would like to
>> acquire we create a new property
>>
>> educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
>> Definition: a description of the qualification, award, certificate,
>> diploma or other educational credential awarded as a consequence of
>> successful completion of this course.
>>
>> When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have sorted
>> out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org then I hope we
>> will have some more specific schema type(s) that we can point to, but for
>> now this seems to me to be good enough to solve the use case. Solving the
>> bigger issue seems beyond the scope of this community group.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
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>> Phil Barker           @philbarker
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>> Heriot-Watt University
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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