Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

offersCredential < http://schema.org/offers ?

http://schema.org/offers
- d: {AggregateOffer, CreativeWork, Event, Product, Service}
- r : Offer

offersCredential
- r: Credential


To be really explicit, there may be multiple Offer(s) for a given
Course/CourseInstance:
- some courses are "crosslisted" for e.g. Undergrad and Graduate programs

IIUC, there must be an abstract Credential and then a CredentialInstance
(which, to be reliably signed with e.g PKI or a blockchain, may require
JSON-LD; because if the whole record isn't signed there are no real
assurances of record integrity)

CTI, OpenBadges, and other [PKI, blockchain] credentialing implementations
would then be able to map to schema.org/CredentialInstance (and Credential).

Credential > Qualification
Credential > Certfication

And then maybe CredentialInstance and subclasses (as mixin/composite
classes to be used in conjunction with Credential) would have the edges to
actual entities (issuee).

https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-223663304

CredentialInstance.credential
- r: Credential

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Robby Robson <robby.robson@eduworks.com> wrote:

> Just a comment on  the term “grantsCredential”
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> Agree that “grants” is a problem. “Related” is better, but loses the
> semantics. Courses can result in a credential, be evidence for a
> credential, be required for a credential etc. Having some variety of ways
> to relate a course to a credential would be more complex but might be
> useful.
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> *From:* Phil Barker [mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk
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> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:11 AM
> *To:* Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com
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> *Cc:* public-schema-course-extend@w3.org
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> *Subject:* Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through
> course.
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> On 16/06/2016 10:10, Richard Wallis wrote:
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> Seeing the somewhat involved discussion around the description of
> credentials I envisage either the overall Course proposal (V1.0) being
> delayed by it or; the credential proposals not being addressed fully.
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> I agree.
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> Pragmatically I propose that initially the property is defined with a
> rangeIncludes of Text & URL.  This will provide the initial ability to at
> least reference credentials.  Following on, a full broad discussion will
> result in a well thought through proposal for a new Credential [or
> alternatively named] Type.  Part of that proposal being to extend the range
> of the Course property to include this new type.
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> Why URL rather than Thing? I would quite like to be able to provide a name
> and URL.  Also, I don't like the semantics of implying that the student
> will get a URL at the end of the course!
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> As to the currently proposed Course property name ‘grantsCredential’, we
> still have the question of if ‘credential’ is a good term.  Even if we
> agree it is, I have a concern about ‘grants’.   The Course does not
> *grant* a qualification, that is done by an organisation -
> completing/passing the course leads to the granting of the associated
> qualification.
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> Yes, I see your point.
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> ~Richard.
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> Richard Wallis
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> On 16 June 2016 at 09:40, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','phil.barker@hw.ac.uk');>> wrote:
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> Hello all, [apologies if you receive this twice, the message I sent
> yesterday seems to have disappeared]
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> We have a use case for the schema course extension that user should be
> able to find a course that offers a qualification the searcher would like
> to acquire hence a requirement that it must be able to identify the
> qualification offered to those completing a course, see
> http://bit.ly/sce-us2 .
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> The current proposal has a grantsCredential property of Course with
> expected (but undefined) type of Credential see,
> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/grantsCredential
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> There has been quite an involved discussion on github over the last few
> weeks around how to describe credentials, starting at
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-220588244
> The modelling of qualifications, awards, credentials clearly goes beyond
> the modelling of courses and is being addressed else where (see the git hub
> conversation for references to Credential Transparency Initiative,
> OpenBadges, blockchain in credentialling etc.)
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> I would like to gauge opinion on two issues:
> 1. the name credential is proving problematic as to many it associates
> with security credential, cryptography, etc. It would be useful to find an
> alternative.
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> 2. What is the minimum that we need to do in order to deal with the link
> from Courses to credential/qualification/award offered in such a way that
> it meets our use case and can be picked up by those looking specifically at
> educational credentials.
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> Bear in mind Richard Wallis's advice of last week concerning "what should
> be in Course 1.0" where he advises that fine detail be left for future
> refinements.
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Jun/0015.html
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> I am hoping that the answer is something like a property of course called
> something like grantsCredential or offersEducationalAward which has an
> expected type text or CreativeWork or a named but otherwise empty subtype
> of CreativeWork.
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> Phil
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