Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

+1 on the range change.

On the matter of credential/credential subclasses, the CTI is *very close*
to finalizing it's set of credential subclasses. That could well provide
more specific ranges; BUT, that said, schema.org should nevertheless push
ahead in the next build with range as proposed.

Stuart

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:

> (Doing things slightly out of order here)
>
> While noting Wes's comments about the range / expected type for
> educationalCredentialAwarded and modelling of Credential, on the basis of
> all the other comments in the last day or so and from last time we went
> over this issue, I intend to progress as proposed below (with one minor
> change), as that represents the furthest on which there is a degree
> consensus.
>
> The minor change is to use Url rather than Thing as an alternative to
> plain text, as Dan suggested.
>
> Hence including http://pending.webschemas.org/educationalCredentialAwarded
> in the proposal of what can be proposed for inclusion in the next draft of
> schema.org
>
> Here's hoping the wider credentialling community can get us further.
>
> Regards, Phil
>
> On 18/08/2016 14:18, Phil Barker wrote:
>
>> Hello all, one last call for feedback on this (sorry I left it hanging
>> earlier in the summer, if you really have the time you can review the
>> discussion at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/
>> Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Jun/0019.html )
>>
>> In short I propose:
>>
>> 1. that we provide a property of course which can be used to point to an
>> educational credential that may be available to those who complete a course.
>>
>> 2. that the expected type for this property be Text or Thing until such
>> time as a specific model for educational credentials be created
>>
>> 3.  that we do not attempt to model educational credentials as part of
>> this work.
>>
>> It is on point 3 that I would most welcome feedback.
>>
>> See http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCr
>> edentialAwarded for details
>>
>> Brief Rational: the ability to provide a name and a URI for and
>> educational credential which may be obtained by successful completion of
>> the course is enough fulfil the use case requirement of being able to find
>> courses that offer some specific requirement; modelling educational
>> credentials would divert us from completing what is necessary to fulfil the
>> other use cases; and, educational credentials touch on many communities
>> that are not well represented in this group.
>>
>> Comments / feedback / dissent?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 22/06/2016 11:20, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have drafted a description and a couple of examples based on the
>>> proposal below.
>>>
>>> See wiki
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Ident
>>> ifying_the_qualification_offered
>>>
>>> and test course.schema site
>>>   http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/Course
>>> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCr
>>> edentialAwarded
>>>
>>> Any further comments/amendments?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On 20/06/16 14:05, Phil Barker wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK. As property name I am going to suggest educationalCredentialAwarded
>>>> because we might in the future want EducationalCredential as a class name.
>>>>
>>>> So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people can
>>>> search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher would like to
>>>> acquire we create a new property
>>>>
>>>> educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
>>>> Definition: a description of the qualification, award, certificate,
>>>> diploma or other educational credential awarded as a consequence of
>>>> successful completion of this course.
>>>>
>>>> When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have
>>>> sorted out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org then I
>>>> hope we will have some more specific schema type(s) that we can point to,
>>>> but for now this seems to me to be good enough to solve the use case.
>>>> Solving the bigger issue seems beyond the scope of this community group.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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