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Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:43:47 +0100
To: public-schema-course-extend@w3.org
Message-ID: <61999a73-09dd-22c1-bbcb-d80cfec55dab@hw.ac.uk>
(Doing things slightly out of order here)

While noting Wes's comments about the range / expected type for 
educationalCredentialAwarded and modelling of Credential, on the basis 
of all the other comments in the last day or so and from last time we 
went over this issue, I intend to progress as proposed below (with one 
minor change), as that represents the furthest on which there is a 
degree consensus.

The minor change is to use Url rather than Thing as an alternative to 
plain text, as Dan suggested.

Hence including 
http://pending.webschemas.org/educationalCredentialAwarded in the 
proposal of what can be proposed for inclusion in the next draft of 

Here's hoping the wider credentialling community can get us further.

Regards, Phil

On 18/08/2016 14:18, Phil Barker wrote:
> Hello all, one last call for feedback on this (sorry I left it hanging 
> earlier in the summer, if you really have the time you can review the 
> discussion at 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Jun/0019.html 
> )
> In short I propose:
> 1. that we provide a property of course which can be used to point to 
> an educational credential that may be available to those who complete 
> a course.
> 2. that the expected type for this property be Text or Thing until 
> such time as a specific model for educational credentials be created
> 3.  that we do not attempt to model educational credentials as part of 
> this work.
> It is on point 3 that I would most welcome feedback.
> See 
> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCredentialAwarded 
> for details
> Brief Rational: the ability to provide a name and a URI for and 
> educational credential which may be obtained by successful completion 
> of the course is enough fulfil the use case requirement of being able 
> to find courses that offer some specific requirement; modelling 
> educational credentials would divert us from completing what is 
> necessary to fulfil the other use cases; and, educational credentials 
> touch on many communities that are not well represented in this group.
> Comments / feedback / dissent?
> Phil
> On 22/06/2016 11:20, Phil Barker wrote:
>> I have drafted a description and a couple of examples based on the 
>> proposal below.
>> See wiki
>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Identifying_the_qualification_offered 
>> and test course.schema site
>>   http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/Course
>> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCredentialAwarded 
>> Any further comments/amendments?
>> Phil
>> On 20/06/16 14:05, Phil Barker wrote:
>>> OK. As property name I am going to suggest 
>>> educationalCredentialAwarded because we might in the future want 
>>> EducationalCredential as a class name.
>>> So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people 
>>> can search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher 
>>> would like to acquire we create a new property
>>> educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
>>> Definition: a description of the qualification, award, certificate, 
>>> diploma or other educational credential awarded as a consequence of 
>>> successful completion of this course.
>>> When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have 
>>> sorted out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org then 
>>> I hope we will have some more specific schema type(s) that we can 
>>> point to, but for now this seems to me to be good enough to solve 
>>> the use case. Solving the bigger issue seems beyond the scope of 
>>> this community group.
>>> Phil

Phil Barker           @philbarker
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Heriot-Watt University

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