Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

On 18 August 2016 at 16:08, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:
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>> Hello all, one last call for feedback on this (sorry I left it hanging
>> earlier in the summer, if you really have the time you can review the
>> discussion at
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Jun/0019.html
>> )
>>
>> In short I propose:
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>> 1. that we provide a property of course which can be used to point to an
>> educational credential that may be available to those who complete a course.
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> +1

+1


>> 2. that the expected type for this property be Text or Thing until such
>> time as a specific model for educational credentials be created

I'd phrase it as Text/URL (initially) but agree with the sentiment.

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> -1 (see above)

I urge you to consider this as a stepping stone towards a richer model
rather than the final state of the design.


>> 3.  that we do not attempt to model educational credentials as part of
>> this work.
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> It's already modeled,  ...

Modeled in the sense of 'drafted' is not the same as having been
widely discussed and compared to the available datasources, related
schemas etc.

>>
>> It is on point 3 that I would most welcome feedback.
>>
>> See
>> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCredentialAwarded
>> for details
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>> Brief Rational: the ability to provide a name and a URI for and
>> educational credential which may be obtained by successful completion of the
>> course is enough fulfil the use case requirement of being able to find
>> courses that offer some specific requirement; modelling educational
>> credentials would divert us from completing what is necessary to fulfil the
>> other use cases; and, educational credentials touch on many communities that
>> are not well represented in this group.


> This is not at all controversial:

It has not yet even been *proposed* outside of the Courses schema.org
extension community. If it is going to reach its full potential we
should also engage those using related schemas such as JobPosting,
e.g. see https://governmenttechnology.blog.gov.uk/2016/05/18/making-job-adverts-more-open/

Let's try to declare some baseline success for Course + CourseInstance
and a few properties. It would do the group good to show that
discussions can result in changes that show up on schema.org, and give
us something we can build upon.

Dan

>   Thing > CreativeWork > Credential
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> We could, instead, choose not to define CredentialInstance at this time
> (because the relation between {Person,Organization} and {Credential > {...}}
> is out of scope for this go-round?
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>> Comments / feedback / dissent?
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>> Phil
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>> On 22/06/2016 11:20, Phil Barker wrote:
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>>>
>>> I have drafted a description and a couple of examples based on the
>>> proposal below.
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>>> See wiki
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>>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Identifying_the_qualification_offered
>>>
>>> and test course.schema site
>>>   http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/Course
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>>> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/educationalCredentialAwarded
>>>
>>> Any further comments/amendments?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On 20/06/16 14:05, Phil Barker wrote:
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>>>> OK. As property name I am going to suggest educationalCredentialAwarded
>>>> because we might in the future want EducationalCredential as a class name.
>>>>
>>>> So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people can
>>>> search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher would like to
>>>> acquire we create a new property
>>>>
>>>> educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
>>>> Definition: a description of the qualification, award, certificate,
>>>> diploma or other educational credential awarded as a consequence of
>>>> successful completion of this course.
>>>>
>>>> When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have sorted
>>>> out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org then I hope we will
>>>> have some more specific schema type(s) that we can point to, but for now
>>>> this seems to me to be good enough to solve the use case. Solving the bigger
>>>> issue seems beyond the scope of this community group.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Heriot-Watt University
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