Re: PSI70 quick note on Carl Jung

Hi Paul,

The RWW work is presently working on provenance / temporal factors; which i
am sure you'd be supportive of defining.

without knowing whether your post 'hit the list', this email should ensure
it does so..

as noted: https://www.w3.org/community/rww/ is the 'join' link...  its
uncomfortable to note, what should go without saying; that, you're all
welcome (and desirably asked to) join the list...

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rww/2021May/0167.html speaks to
a linked idea....

therein;

[11] https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/resources/open-internet-standards-chapter-toolkit/

[12] https://open-stand.org/

[13] https://www.internetsociety.org/chapters/start/

a potentially 'leverable' methodology...

TCH.

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 07:11, Paul Werbos <paul.werbos@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Timothy, for your hard work on one approach to what I call
> Sustainable Intelligent Internet (SII,
> http://www.werbos.com/How_to%20Build_Past_Emerging_Internet_Chaos.htm).
> SII is certainly a very important strategic goal important for all of us, a
> goal which NO ONE group on earth is completely on top of yet. (If I had to
> name just one group today, I would mention www.millennium-project.org,
> Jerry and James... but I will keep trying to help in figuring out who needs
> to talk to whom about what.)
>
> TODAY, I have been working to try to update ANOTHER important part of my
> new web pages:
> http://www.werbos.com/mind_brain_soul.htm. If Filezilla works as well as
> we hope, the two essential slides will be visible there by this weekend.
>
> This is an important INPUT to SII, because building truly brain-like AI
> (AGI) requires the technical knowledge in the brain part. Full empowerment
> of humans, and sensitivity to humans and nature, requires tricky but
> important knowledge discussed in the brain and soul, and soul, parts.
>
> But yes, the basic SII web resources call for broad and open
> collaborations, and I applaud you for working on that. Now we others all
> have important roles to play, as you say...
>
> Best of luck,  Paul
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:54 PM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> FYI.
>>
>> Via the RWW[1] (read write web) list; it seems, we've started on trying
>> to figure out[2] the qualities required for the 'next web', a 'temporal
>> web'[3]...    complex stuff. we need more minds involved than those more
>> simply interested for the purposes of vending software, or more simply from
>> an Information sciences perspective...
>>
>> Link to join is[1].  ontological design takes alot into account[4].
>> Melvin[5] is 'chair' (an incredible mind); i've started working on how work
>> may be made sustainable for people working in the interests of humanity[6]
>> (not companies / 'legal personalities'); therein point made about
>> https://open-stand.org/ or means to support 'free will', by (ICT)
>> design...
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Timothy Holborn.
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/rww/
>> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rww/
>> [3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rww/2021May/0006.html
>> [4]
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCbmz0VSZ_voTpRK9-o5RksERak4kOL40
>> [5] https://melvincarvalho.com/
>> [6] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rww/2021May/0167.html
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 01:14, Deepak Chopra <nonlocal101@chopra.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>  https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/A-New-World-Needs-a-New-Worldview-15307491.php
>>> <https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/A-New-World-Needs-a-New-Worldview-15307491.php>
>>>
>>> *Deepak Chopra MD*
>>> 7668 El Camino Road
>>> Suite 104-612
>>> La Costa, CA 92009
>>> Tel: 760-494-1625
>>> *www.deepakchopra.com <http://www.deepakchopra.com/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
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>>> iTunes
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>>> Spotify
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>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Shiva Meucci <bmeucci@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>> Is that true. actually?  How would that work for organisms other than
>>>> viruses?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Brian, I couldn't find what you are quoting so I'm a bit out of
>>> context. But it seems (I think) they might either be talking about genetic
>>> therapy or Horizontal gene transfer
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer> which are
>>> closely related topics. (Please excuse me if I cover something you find
>>> trivial)
>>> Viruses are just hackers. They invade a host cell and then insert their
>>> code into the cell's machinery that is reading it's own code. This causes
>>> the machinery to just start doing the viral "command set" instead of the
>>> normal DNA set of commands. However, this is usually done by clipping and
>>> inserting new instructions into the existing DNA which is being read like a
>>> ticker-tape.
>>>
>>> <image.gif>
>>>
>>>
>>> Currently we use this ability viruses have, to select a place in a set
>>> of genes and add new code, or clip out sets of code, or both. This is
>>> generally how "gene therapy" works. Gene therapy is difficult because we
>>> take out the viral machinery that causes the virus to self replicate, since
>>> that's generally destructive to the cell. So we have to make all the
>>> helpful viruses ourselves.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately it's quite likely that some people will believe they know
>>> the "right" changes to the human genome that "need" to be done and create a
>>> virus that does just that which will sweep through the human population.
>>> The only hurdle is to make it such that the gene therapy virus you create
>>> still has the self-replication ability but somehow does not cause the host
>>> significant determent. This is a fairly easily solved problem I proposed
>>> one (of many) solutions to years ago. I even named it a "gene-sweep virus"
>>> for the purpose of sci-fi. (I won't elaborate here)
>>>
>>> Unfortunately with the terrible ideas of one-gene-one-effect still
>>> present in genetic theory, anyone attempting such a thing at this stage in
>>> our knowledge would just unleash hell on humanity. Genetic information may
>>> code for single proteins at single places but each of the structures encode
>>> multiple sets of information that play roles in widely divergent biological
>>> functions. You could find a gene that seems to cure rheumatoid arthritis
>>> and by implementing the change something as seemingly unrelated as altering
>>> the way vitamin D is processed and/or a thousand other seemingly unrelated
>>> things. There's an interdependence to multilayered data systems that most
>>> people apparently can't grasp and if we take the simple straight-forward
>>> simple coding perspective we have now, we'll continue to fail at gene
>>> therapy. (while having just enough success to fool us into thinking we are
>>> progressing)
>>>
>>> However, in the wild, through the many processes of horizontal gene
>>> transfer there can be aspects of interaction between hosts and viruses that
>>> might lead to the emergence of semi-symbiotic relationships between hosts
>>> and viral agents in viral attempts to survive against immune systems. Some
>>> benefit can be conferred to the host and improve the survival of the virus.
>>> This can be expressed as picking up genetic structures which are beyond the
>>> "replicate me" code that a virus has, which an immune system might
>>> recognize as friendly and therefore act as camouflage for the virus ...or
>>> an innumerable number other interactions which result in additional
>>> beneficial code being transferred with the viral code.
>>>
>>> So in the natural world the emergence of viruses which cross the line
>>> from simply parasitic towards symbiotic are a natural expectation of
>>> evolution and therefore we could see strange things like improvements to
>>> radiation resistance start to crop up across species via the suite of
>>> horizontal gene transfer mechanisms. Such a thing might actually happen in
>>> the next 50-100 years as the magnetic pole shift that is pretty rapidly
>>> occurring right now disturbs our magnetosphere and exposes various
>>> populations to radiation.
>>>
>>> The vastly multi-pronged and slow multi-generational approach used by
>>> nature has a robustness that might fool humans into thinking they could
>>> replicate some of that beneficial outcome but what is vastly more likely is
>>> horrific repeated pandemics with an extremely high likelihood of near
>>> extinction of mankind. Making humans more radiation resistant for the
>>> coming pole shift events might be one of those "good intentions" that would
>>> probably just pave the road to hell.
>>>
>>> So when they say "vehicle of choice" I would hope they mean the choice
>>> of nature, and not humans...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>  - Shiva
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:59 PM 'Brian Josephson' via Biological Physics
>>> and Meaning <Biological-Physics-and-Meaning@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > When a survival advantage is discovered (such as antibiotic
>>>> resistance in a strain of bacteria), that beneficial gene can be
>>>> transferred in various ways across many species, but for maximum impact
>>>> over great distances, viral transfer is the vehicle of choice.
>>>>
>>>> Is that true. actually?  How would that work for organisms other than
>>>> viruses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> > On 1 Jun 2020, at 18:05, Deepak Chopra <nonlocal101@chopra.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > FYI
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/chopra/article/A-New-World-Needs-a-New-Worldview-15307491.php
>>>> >
>>>> > Deepak Chopra MD
>>>>
>>>> -------
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>>>> Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Cambridge
>>>> Director, Mind–Matter Unification Project
>>>> Cavendish Laboratory, JJ Thomson Ave, Cambridge CB3 0HE, UK
>>>> WWW: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10
>>>> Tel. +44(0)1223 337260
>>>>
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