- From: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
- Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:12:55 +0200
- To: "Ralph R. Swick" <swick@w3.org>, public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org, public-swd-wg@w3.org
I did send regrets: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0145.html Steven On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:46:37 +0200, Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org> wrote: > The record of today's RDF-in-XHTML Task Force telecon is now available > > http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html > > A text snapshot follows. > > ---- > > RDF-in-XHTML Task Force > > 02 Oct 2008 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Oct/0008.html > > See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-09-18 > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-irc > [4] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html > > Attendees > > Present > Jeremy Carroll, Ralph Swick, Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck > > Regrets > Michael Hausenblas, Shane McCarron > > Chair > Ben > > Scribe > Ralph > > Contents > > * Topics > 1. Action Review > 2. Primer > * Summary of Action Items > _____________________________________________________ > > Action Review > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in > [9]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19] > > [9] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19 > > Ben: [10]wrote to Danny, don't have a response > > [10] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0122.html > > ACTION: [DONE] Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC > [recorded in > [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 > > Ralph: 2 opportunities > > -> [12]TP Agenda > > [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/TPDay-Agenda.html > > Ralph: 2 lightning talk sessions > ... also a "Semantic Web Demo" session > > Jeremy, Mark: we'll be at TP > > Ben: showing the Drupal work, or SearchMonkey, or Ubiquity w/RDFa > would be good > ... we have more showy stuff than last year > > Ralph: let Ivan know if you have a brief demo you could offer > > Jeremy: I might offer a demo > > ACTION: [DONE] Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in > [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] > > [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 > > -> [14]issue 128; PR Comment: Default Graph > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/128 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning > [recorded in > [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in > [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13 > > ACTION: [DONE] Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL > thing [recorded in > [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 > > Ben: Ralph went ahead and did it > > ACTION: [DROPPED] Jeremy review and consider expanding the > description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in > [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] > > [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once > the NS URI is set up. [recorded in > [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an > AskSlashdot piece [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] > > [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04 > > ACTION: [DONE] Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. > [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 > > -> [22]RDFa CVS repository on dev.w3.org [30] > > [22] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0178.html > [30] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases > for Ivan. [recorded in > [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded > in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] > > [24] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa > Wiki [recorded in > [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] > > [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > > ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in > [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] > > [26] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15 > > ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to make [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt > happen [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt > [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 > > ACTION: [DONE] Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new > XSLT URI [recorded in > [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > > [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 > > Primer > > Ralph: last day to request publication is 13 October > ... last pubs before TPAC will be 16 Oct > > Ben: we've had a couple of negative comments about the Primer > ... I wish folk would send us pointers to their blogs > ... do we _need_ to beef it up? > > Mark: I haven't looked at it in a while but I do remember having > some thoughts > > -> [30]RDFa Trials and Travails ... [25] > > [30] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html > [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > > Ben: do we _want_ to be telling people how to define vocabularies in > this document? > > Mark: we'd talked before about the purpose of the Primer > ... probably don't want to get into explaining custom vocabularies > ... but if we don't then perhaps we shouldn't mention them at all > ... we have a powerful system in RDFa but what really makes it > useful to Joe Public is when we drop namespace prefixes and make it > look more like microformats > > <Ralph> [I disagree on Mark's last point but won't go into it in > this telecon] > > Mark: maybe we just accept that our audience is folk who are > somewhat familiar with Semantic Web concepts > > Ben: I propose to submit editorial changes only to the Working Group > next week and publish just small changes on 13 October > ... just enough modification to the Primer to address the comments a > little bit > > Ralph: are there enough updates to be worth pushing for 13 Oct or > should the Primer just wait a bit longer? > > Jeremy: delay REC? > > Ralph: no, let's not delay REC > > Ben: there's other introductory material as well, e.g. in the Wiki > > Mark: but I do see the argument in favor of removing the section on > custom vocabularies > > Ralph: there _are_ related documents out there; e.g. the Best > Practice Recipes > > Mark: but where are the limits on what we do? > > Ralph: one of the things that distinguishes RDFa from microformats > is that you _can_ define your own vocabulary when you decide that > there's nothing existing that meets your needs > ... so I wouldn't want to drop this entirely from the Primer > ... it's not clear whether that commentor tried to follow the URIs > ... the early Web was built on cloning pages; the same works for > these examples > > ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with editorial > changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in > [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > > -> "[32]xmlse:foo slightly substantive comment on CURIEs (both in > stand alone document, and in RDFa PR)" [Jeremy 2008-09-12] Jeremy's > editorial suggestion > > [32] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0041 > > <benadida> Note: A CURIE prefix value may case-insensitively begin > in the string "xml", but then it is not permitted to be used as a > prefix in an xmlns declaration in an XML document. > > Jeremy: we should align the RDFa Syntax document and the CURIE spec > as to whether a prefix can start with 'xml' > > <JeremyCarroll> See the text: > > <JeremyCarroll> [[ > > <JeremyCarroll> prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the > 'xmlns:' syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]. > > <JeremyCarroll> ]] > > <markbirbeck> "When CURIES are used in an XML-based host language, > prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' syntax > specified in [XMLNAMES]. Such host languages MAY also provide > additional prefix mapping definition mechanisms. > > <markbirbeck> When CURIES are used in a non-XML host language, the > host language MUST provide a mechanism for defining the mapping from > the prefix to an IRI." > > Ralph: perhaps the 'xml' restriction is a Host Language restriction > and not an RDFa or CURIE restriction > ... so RDFa and CURIE should remain silent on this point and leave > it to the Host Language specs to declare any further restrictions > > Mark: when I added that sentence I was thinking of prefixes such as > '123abc' > ... it wouldn't hurt to add to CURIE the 'xml*' restriction > ... I think this would be a useful addition > > Ralph: I'd make it an editorial Note: comment rather than make it > appearing to be normative about CURIEs > > Mark: I agree that the normative constraint is already covered by > the "prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' > syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]" language > ... I'm suggesting adding the comment as assistance to readers > > Jeremy: an example would be informative > ... I'm happy with no change to RDFa Syntax > > <benadida> PROPOSE no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based > on Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment > > RESOLUTION: no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based on > Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment > > <JeremyCarroll> accepted as commentator > > [adjourned] > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with > editorial changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in > [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > > [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in > [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19] > [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once > the NS URI is set up. [recorded in > [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] > [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot > piece [recorded in > [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases > for Ivan. [recorded in > [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] > [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded > in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning > [recorded in > [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in > [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] > [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki > [recorded in > [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] > [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in > [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] > > [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19 > [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 > [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04 > [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09 > [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 > [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 > [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13 > [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > [42] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15 > > [DONE] ACTION: Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC > [recorded in > [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > [DONE] ACTION: Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL > thing [recorded in > [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] > [DONE] ACTION: Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in > [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] > [DONE] ACTION: Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. > [recorded in > [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to make [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt > happen [recorded in > [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] > [DONE] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new > XSLT URI [recorded in > [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] > > [43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 > [44] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 > [45] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 > [46] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 > [47] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt > [48] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 > [49] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 > > [DROPPED] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the > description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in > [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] > > [50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 > > [End of minutes] > _____________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [51]scribe.perl version 1.133 > ([52]CVS log) > $Date: 2008/10/02 17:44:17 $ > > [51] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [52] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > >
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