- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:46:37 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org,public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's RDF-in-XHTML Task Force telecon is now available
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html
A text snapshot follows.
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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
02 Oct 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Oct/0008.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-09-18
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Jeremy Carroll, Ralph Swick, Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck
Regrets
Michael Hausenblas, Shane McCarron
Chair
Ben
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Action Review
2. Primer
* Summary of Action Items
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Action Review
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]
[9] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19
Ben: [10]wrote to Danny, don't have a response
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0122.html
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC
[recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17
Ralph: 2 opportunities
-> [12]TP Agenda
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/TPDay-Agenda.html
Ralph: 2 lightning talk sessions
... also a "Semantic Web Demo" session
Jeremy, Mark: we'll be at TP
Ben: showing the Drupal work, or SearchMonkey, or Ubiquity w/RDFa
would be good
... we have more showy stuff than last year
Ralph: let Ivan know if you have a brief demo you could offer
Jeremy: I might offer a demo
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18
-> [14]issue 128; PR Comment: Default Graph
[14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/128
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL
thing [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18
Ben: Ralph went ahead and did it
ACTION: [DROPPED] Jeremy review and consider expanding the
description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once
the NS URI is set up. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an
AskSlashdot piece [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04
ACTION: [DONE] Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS.
[recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07
-> [22]RDFa CVS repository on dev.w3.org [30]
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0178.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases
for Ivan. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded
in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa
Wiki [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15
ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to make [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt
happen [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt
[28] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16
ACTION: [DONE] Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new
XSLT URI [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17
Primer
Ralph: last day to request publication is 13 October
... last pubs before TPAC will be 16 Oct
Ben: we've had a couple of negative comments about the Primer
... I wish folk would send us pointers to their blogs
... do we _need_ to beef it up?
Mark: I haven't looked at it in a while but I do remember having
some thoughts
-> [30]RDFa Trials and Travails ... [25]
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14
Ben: do we _want_ to be telling people how to define vocabularies in
this document?
Mark: we'd talked before about the purpose of the Primer
... probably don't want to get into explaining custom vocabularies
... but if we don't then perhaps we shouldn't mention them at all
... we have a powerful system in RDFa but what really makes it
useful to Joe Public is when we drop namespace prefixes and make it
look more like microformats
<Ralph> [I disagree on Mark's last point but won't go into it in
this telecon]
Mark: maybe we just accept that our audience is folk who are
somewhat familiar with Semantic Web concepts
Ben: I propose to submit editorial changes only to the Working Group
next week and publish just small changes on 13 October
... just enough modification to the Primer to address the comments a
little bit
Ralph: are there enough updates to be worth pushing for 13 Oct or
should the Primer just wait a bit longer?
Jeremy: delay REC?
Ralph: no, let's not delay REC
Ben: there's other introductory material as well, e.g. in the Wiki
Mark: but I do see the argument in favor of removing the section on
custom vocabularies
Ralph: there _are_ related documents out there; e.g. the Best
Practice Recipes
Mark: but where are the limits on what we do?
Ralph: one of the things that distinguishes RDFa from microformats
is that you _can_ define your own vocabulary when you decide that
there's nothing existing that meets your needs
... so I wouldn't want to drop this entirely from the Primer
... it's not clear whether that commentor tried to follow the URIs
... the early Web was built on cloning pages; the same works for
these examples
ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with editorial
changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
-> "[32]xmlse:foo slightly substantive comment on CURIEs (both in
stand alone document, and in RDFa PR)" [Jeremy 2008-09-12] Jeremy's
editorial suggestion
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0041
<benadida> Note: A CURIE prefix value may case-insensitively begin
in the string "xml", but then it is not permitted to be used as a
prefix in an xmlns declaration in an XML document.
Jeremy: we should align the RDFa Syntax document and the CURIE spec
as to whether a prefix can start with 'xml'
<JeremyCarroll> See the text:
<JeremyCarroll> [[
<JeremyCarroll> prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the
'xmlns:' syntax specified in [XMLNAMES].
<JeremyCarroll> ]]
<markbirbeck> "When CURIES are used in an XML-based host language,
prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' syntax
specified in [XMLNAMES]. Such host languages MAY also provide
additional prefix mapping definition mechanisms.
<markbirbeck> When CURIES are used in a non-XML host language, the
host language MUST provide a mechanism for defining the mapping from
the prefix to an IRI."
Ralph: perhaps the 'xml' restriction is a Host Language restriction
and not an RDFa or CURIE restriction
... so RDFa and CURIE should remain silent on this point and leave
it to the Host Language specs to declare any further restrictions
Mark: when I added that sentence I was thinking of prefixes such as
'123abc'
... it wouldn't hurt to add to CURIE the 'xml*' restriction
... I think this would be a useful addition
Ralph: I'd make it an editorial Note: comment rather than make it
appearing to be normative about CURIEs
Mark: I agree that the normative constraint is already covered by
the "prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:'
syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]" language
... I'm suggesting adding the comment as assistance to readers
Jeremy: an example would be informative
... I'm happy with no change to RDFa Syntax
<benadida> PROPOSE no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based
on Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment
RESOLUTION: no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based on
Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment
<JeremyCarroll> accepted as commentator
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with
editorial changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once
the NS URI is set up. [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot
piece [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases
for Ivan. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded
in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19
[35] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11
[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12
[40] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13
[41] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14
[42] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL
thing [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
[DONE] ACTION: Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS.
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to make [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt
happen [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
[DONE] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new
XSLT URI [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17
[44] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18
[45] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18
[46] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07
[47] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt
[48] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16
[49] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17
[DROPPED] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the
description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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