Re: Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-20 for review

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 09:52:31AM +0100, Seaborne, Andy wrote:
> 
> Minor corrections:
> 
> > Tom Adams agreed to take one of Simon's action items, seeing as Simon
> > has a lot to do.
> > 
> > ACTION: Tom Adams: reply to Chris Wilper's comments on the
> > public-rdf-dawg-comments list
> 
> Clarifying: The original item was:
> [[
> ACTION: SimonR draft a reply to Chris Wilper and send draft to WG
> mailing list.
> ]]
> The action is to send a draft to the WG, not reply to the comments list.
> 
> > ACTION Jos: discuss test suite documentation and maintenance with
> > SteveH, EricP, AndyS, ...
> 
> Eric, Steve and I will be on IRC 14:30 UTC today (21/July) (15:30 UK, 10:30
> Boston)

We (+DaveB) met, irc log attached (line wrapped at 132 cols).

> > Steve, Eric, and Dan agreed to coordinate to get Steve Harris CVS write
> > access in order for him to maintain the tests. Eric pointed out that
> > several tests are kept in the N3QL document, and that it would be good
> > to integrate them with Steve Harris's tests.
> 
> s/N3QL/BRQL/
> 
> 	Andy
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: Rob Shearer <>
> > Date: 20 July 2004 20:33
> > 
> > Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-20 for review
> > 
> > Agenda:
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0114.html
> > 
> > IRC: http://www.w3.org/2004/07/20-dawg-irc#T16-50-52-1 (includes
> > after-meeting discussion of strawman spec and the wording of the
> > disjunction requirement)
> > 
> > 1. Convene, take roll, review record, agenda
> > 
> > Attendees: Eric Prud'Hommeaux, Yoshio Fukushige, Steve Harris, Kendall
> > Clark, Andy Seaborne, Dave Beckett, Rob Shearer, Simon Raboczi, Dan
> > Connolly, Tom Adams
> > 
> > Regrets: Howard Katz
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0134.html
> >          Alberto Reggiori
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0115.html
> >          Enrico Franconi
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0116.html
> >          Jim Hendler
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0121.html
> >          Jos De Roo
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0133.html
> >          Bryan Thompson
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0135.html
> >          Hiroyuki Sato
> > 
> > Scribe: Rob Shearer
> > 
> > Next meeting: Tuesday 2004-07-27 14:30 UTC, Dave Beckett to scribe
> > 
> > As noted in agenda, the following actions will be continued:
> > 
> > ACTION EricP: find out the schedule of the 2005 W3C tech plenary and
> >  inform the WG so that we can plan ftf meetings after September.
> > 
> > ACTION SimonR: write a document discussing tradeoffs with adapting
> > XQuery as an RDF query language for discussion thru the September
> > meeting in Bristol.
> > 
> > ACTION Jos: explain log:includes to inform the discussion of SOURCE (nee
> > provenance)
> > 
> > ACTION DanC: explain evolution of log:semantics/log:includes from
> > uri-is-graph to uri-is-doc in cwm, to inform discussion of SOURCE
> > 
> > ACTION DaveB: explain the main uses seen for redland contexts with
> > respect to the provenance
> > 
> > ACTION AndyS: explain DESCRIBE design implicit in BRQL spec.
> > 
> > 2. Review Carlsbad meeting record
> > 
> > The group resolved to adopt  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf2
> > version 1.33 as a true record of the face-to-face meeting, with an
> > expectation of a few more minor edits by Dan Connolly, including the
> > addition of links to explanation of Network Inference's objections.
> > 
> > Dan Connolly has attempted to get in touch with the Semantic Web CG in
> > support of his action item, but he does not feel the action has been
> > completed.
> > 
> > ACTION DanC: notify Semantic Web CG of risks around the "1.5
> > Relationship with XQuery" scope of our charter.
> > 
> > 3. Web Services Directory use cases
> > 
> > Rob Shearer clarified his action item from the face-to-face regarding
> > the ebXML use case, which he has not completed.
> > 
> > ACTION: RobS write email to Farrukh about traversing a taxonomy,
> > continues.
> > 
> > 4. Toward updated Use Cases and Requirements publication
> > 
> > Kendall noted that there are still 6-8 outstanding changes which must
> > still be made to the document, and estimated that the work would be
> > complete by the end of business 2004-07-21, at which time other group
> > members could review it in time for the telecon on 2004-07-27.
> > 
> > ACTION: RobS to review the document when complete
> > 
> > Updates to the document should include all output from the face-to-face
> > meeting.
> > 
> > Andy Seaborne noted a minor issue with CVS tags not being correctly
> > updated when the document changes. Kendall explained that this is a
> > toolset problem and that he will attempt to address it.
> > 
> > It was also noted that the changelog could include links to the meeting
> > minutes or emails requesting each change; Kendall agreed that this would
> > be a good addition.
> > 
> > It was pointed out that several people have actions which could impact
> > the UC&R document, including Simon's action to write about CONSTRUCT and
> > Eric's action to send a use case motivating premises. It was agreed that
> > the document could go ahead without these additions.
> > 
> > ACTION ericP: send federation use case motivating premises (in Algae)
> > 
> > The timing of the next publication was questioned, with Andy Seaborne
> > suggested that pushing it back by two weeks would be worthwhile if it
> > will substantially improve the document. Kendall claimed that the new
> > ebXML use case would be ready shortly, as well as some use case for
> > disjunction. It was agreed that we would be flexibly on publication
> > dates, but that 1 August still seems reasonable.
> > 
> > Tom Adams agreed to take one of Simon's action items, seeing as Simon
> > has a lot to do.
> > 
> > ACTION: Tom Adams: reply to Chris Wilper's comments on the
> > public-rdf-dawg-comments list
> > 
> > There was a brief discussion of the "provenance" objective, rewritten by
> > Andy Seaborne to more directly address "aggregation", with Rob Shearer
> > thinking it sucks and Tom Adams and Yoshio thinking it's cool. The
> > rewritten objective will be included in the next publication and the
> > group will await public reaction.
> > 
> > Yoshio's concerns about the new disjunction requirement
> > (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.htm
> > l) were discussed, but it was agreed that email would be a more
> > productive form of engagement.
> > 
> > ACTION DanC: follow up to
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.html
> > 
> > ACTION DanC: follow up to
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.html
> > 
> > 5. Test case maintenance
> > 
> > Jos's action continues:
> > 
> > ACTION Jos: discuss test suite documentation and maintenance with
> > SteveH, EricP, AndyS, ...
> > 
> > Steve, Eric, and Dan agreed to coordinate to get Steve Harris CVS write
> > access in order for him to maintain the tests. Eric pointed out that
> > several tests are kept in the N3QL document, and that it would be good
> > to integrate them with Steve Harris's tests.
> > 
> > The discussion turned to organization of DAWG online resources,
> > specifically the BRQL strawman spec. The meeting was adjourned and
> > informal discussion continued, reflected in the IRC log.

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