- From: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:01:25 -0400
- To: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Cc: public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org, Yosi Scharf <syosi@mit.edu>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:47, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 11:27:24AM -0400, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>
>>
>> The current last call draft states,
>>
>> "A value disjunction that encounters a type error on only one branch
>> will return the result of evaluating the other branch."
>>
>> This seems to be a bug: inconsistent with the logic one would expect.
>> It is inconsistent with the general rule that the disjunction of
>> false with x is x for all x. The disjunction of false with a type
>> error is therefore a type error. If not, the type error is masked.
>>
>> Example in english: An alarm should fire if either ?smokeDetected or
>> the ?temperature is above 40. Suppose the ?smokeDetected is false
False, note.
>> and the temperature is (because of a bug) bound to something which
>> can't be compared to 40 without a type error. The result should be
>> that the alarm is a type error. Instead, with the wording above, the
>> alarm is suppressed.
>>
>
> I tried making this concrete, but found it supporting the spec's
> current wording.
>
> DATA:
>
> @prefix : <asdf> .
> :detector :temp \"314\"^^:degreesK ;
> :smokeDetects 1 .
Should that be 0?
>
> *note* degreesK is not known by this SPARQL engine and therefor is not
> known to be numeric and therefor throws a type error at the >
> operator.
>
> QUERY:
>
> PREFIX : <asdf>
> SELECT ?smokeDetected ?temperature
> WHERE { :detector :smokeDetects ?smokeDetected .
> :detector :temp ?temperature .
> FILTER (?temperature > 40 || ?smokeDetected) }
>
> RESULTS:
> under current semantics:
> [] fire:eek [] .
>
I suspect with no smoke detected the result would be no results,
when in fact the temperature is too high. Please try it with 505K
to make the point! :-)
(505K = 273+((451-32)*5/9)K )
> if the type error passes through the disjunction there are no
> results.
>
> Does this clarify the effect of || masking type errors?
> Is this effect now acceptable?
> Would you like clarifying wording in the spec?
>
>
>> Yosi Scharf found also that this rule for union means that de
>> Morgan's laws don't hold properly, making the compilation and
>> optimization of queries more difficult or impossible.
>>
>> Tim Berners-Lee
>> MIT/CSAIL/DIG
>>
>
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