- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:19:19 -0400
- To: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
- Cc: public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org, Yosi Scharf <syosi@mit.edu>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <20050802171919.GA22984@w3.org>
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 12:47:11PM -0400, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote: > On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 11:27:24AM -0400, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: > > > > The current last call draft states, > > > > "A value disjunction that encounters a type error on only one branch > > will return the result of evaluating the other branch." > > > > This seems to be a bug: inconsistent with the logic one would expect. > > It is inconsistent with the general rule that the disjunction of > > false with x is x for all x. The disjunction of false with a type > > error is therefore a type error. If not, the type error is masked. > > > > Example in english: An alarm should fire if either ?smokeDetected or > > the ?temperature is above 40. Suppose the ?smokeDetected is false > > and the temperature is (because of a bug) bound to something which > > can't be compared to 40 without a type error. The result should be > > that the alarm is a type error. Instead, with the wording above, the > > alarm is suppressed. > > I tried making this concrete, but found it supporting the spec's > current wording. > > DATA: > > @prefix : <asdf> . > :detector :temp \"314\"^^:degreesK ; > :smokeDetects 1 . > > *note* degreesK is not known by this SPARQL engine and therefor is not > known to be numeric and therefor throws a type error at the > operator. > > QUERY: > > PREFIX : <asdf> > SELECT ?smokeDetected ?temperature > WHERE { :detector :smokeDetects ?smokeDetected . > :detector :temp ?temperature . > FILTER (?temperature > 40 || ?smokeDetected) } > > RESULTS: > under current semantics: > [] fire:eek [] . oops, did two runs, one with construct, (above results) and one with select: +-------------+-----------+ |smokeDetected|temperature| |-------------|-----------| | 1| "314"| +-------------+-----------+ > if the type error passes through the disjunction there are no results. > > Does this clarify the effect of || masking type errors? > Is this effect now acceptable? > Would you like clarifying wording in the spec? > > > Yosi Scharf found also that this rule for union means that de > > Morgan's laws don't hold properly, making the compilation and > > optimization of queries more difficult or impossible. > > > > Tim Berners-Lee > > MIT/CSAIL/DIG > -- -eric office: +81.466.49.1170 W3C, Keio Research Institute at SFC, Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Keio University, 5322 Endo, Fujisawa, Kanagawa 252-8520 JAPAN +1.617.258.5741 NE43-344, MIT, Cambridge, MA 02144 USA cell: +81.90.6533.3882 (eric@w3.org) Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose other than email address distribution.
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