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Re: updated prov-o provenance

From: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:46:42 -0400
Cc: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <BD5890FF-2892-4A8C-9351-988EF3DCFB5D@rpi.edu>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Ivan,

On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 14:08 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Ivan,
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o
>> 
>> is redirecting to:
>> 
>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl
> 
> Well... this is the URI it has to redirect to: it is the provenance information for prov-o.

My apologies, I temporarily confused the provenance of prov vs. prov namespace concatenation work. (I'm just spinning up for the day without the aid of coffee…)

When I said 
"Shouldn't http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o be redirecting to /ns", I meant 
"Shouldn't http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o be directing to somewhere OTHER than within https://dvcs.w3.org/hg?"

IIRC, the redirects into mercurial were a temporary development solution. 
It was my impression that those files would get a real home somewhere "more permanent" in your w3.org CVS-land.


> 
> The issue is: why is 
> 
>  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl
> 
> identical to the ns/prov-o.ttl?

By ns/prov-o.ttl, do you mean http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o ?

If so, I don't see how the response from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o  is identical to the response of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl
Their responses differ significantly.

To be sure, I added another check in the namespace test https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/e269faf53182
and it is content (pun accidental):

prov/namespace$ bin/test-w3org.sh

pass: text/turtle          from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov matches releases/prov-20130430/prov.ttl
pass: application/rdf+xml  from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov matches releases/prov-20130430/prov.owl
pass: application/xml      from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov matches prov.xsd

pass: text/turtle          from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o matches prov-o.ttl
pass: application/rdf+xml  from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o matches prov-o.owl

pass: text/turtle          from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o-inverses matches prov-o-inverses.ttl
pass: application/rdf+xml  from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o-inverses matches prov-o-inverses.owl

pass: text/turtle          from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-links matches prov-links.ttl
pass: application/rdf+xml  from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-links matches prov-links.owl
pass: application/xml      from http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-links matches prov-links.xsd

pass: text/turtle          from http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o matches ../provenance/prov-o.ttl
pass: application/rdf+xml  from http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o matches ../provenance/prov-o.rdf



> It should not, it should contain provenance info!

 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl contains provenance of prov-o.

http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-o contains the OWL definitions of prov-o.

These are different things, and they look correct to me.

What does not look correct is the redirect from http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-o that lands into mercurial. I like the content, just not where the content is residing.


> 
> For all other documents, the same redirection leads to
> 
>  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.ttl
> 
> per what Luc gave me yesterday, but the prov-o was an exception. I do not know why; this is something I was not involved with…

Yes, this is what I understand to be the intent. Except the mercurial home for everything.

Regards,
Tim

> 
> Ivan
> 
>> 
>> Shouldn't this be redirecting to /ns?
>> Right content, wrong place, I think.
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I *think* this has been done, we had a round of updates of the prov-o files; can one of you check whether this is still an open action?
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 15:42 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Paul.
>>>> 
>>>> @Ivan can you push hg/provenance/prov-o.ttl  to w3.org?
>>>> 
>>>> -Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This needs to get pushed to the right provenance location. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And then were cool I think
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 15:27, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tweaked the prov-o provenance to align with some of Luc's URI in prov-family, and to update the version URIs described:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/7f4f8bf7c9f6
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are these just getting pushed to w3.org/ns, or is there more coordination to do?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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