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Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday 10/10)

From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:47:30 +0100
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Hi Simon
Response refined again:
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-521_.28Responsibility_Activity.29
Luc

On 10/11/2012 03:50 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> I think we must be talking at cross-purposes or I've misunderstood 
> something.
> The reviewer comments in ISSUE-521, linked below, don't mention 
> "wasAdoptedBy". The second paragraph is the question I don't think is 
> explicitly answered.
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0111.html
> thanks,
> Simon
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 15:39
> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
> Wednesday 10/10)
>
> Hi Simon,
> The author of 503 explicitly mentions a relation "wasAdoptedBy" that 
> is missing from the spec.
> We argue that it is not missing.
> I don't understand what you are suggesting.
> Luc
>
> On 10/11/2012 03:22 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>> Hi Luc,
>> That's fine for ISSUE-522, but I still don't think ISSUE-521/503 
>> answers the question raised.
>> The PROV-DM says:
>> "Agents may adopt plans, i.e. sets of actions or steps, to achieve 
>> their goals in the context of an activity."
>> The reviewer asked:
>> "can activities adopt a plan when acting as an agent, or can only 
>> entity agents adopt plans?"
>> As far as I'm aware from the DM, the answer is "yes, agents that are 
>> activities can adopt plans". I suggest we should say this explicitly 
>> in the response. ISSUE-503 seems to answer an unrelated question, 
>> about a proposed wasAdoptedBy relation.
>> thanks,
>> Simon
>> Dr Simon Miles
>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 13:27
>> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
>> Wednesday 10/10)
>>
>>
>> On 10/09/2012 04:12 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>> Hello Luc,
>>>
>>> Responses to responses...
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> ISSUE-521:
>>> I was not clear how this or ISSUE-503 answer the question "can activities adopt a plan?" I assume the answer is "yes", in that any wasAssociatedWith relation can include a plan. Could we add an explicit answer to this question?
>> Response to ISSUE-503 indicated:
>> /Hence, there is no need for a separate wasAdoptedBy relation./
>>
>>> ISSUE-522:
>>> Similarly to above, I could not see an answer to whether activities could delegate. I assume the answer is "yes", and that the confusion of the reviewer comes from the fact (previously discussed in telecon) that "delegation" is not a perfect word to express what we mean, as it has the connotation of authority, which entities can have but activities don't obviously have.
>> I have updated the text in 521 as follows:
>>
>> /Given this, it is legal to write the following, in which a2 acted on 
>> behalf of a1, where a2 and a1 are activities, but the type of a2 and 
>> a1 can also be inferred to be agent./
>>
>>
>>> ....
>>
>> Luc
>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Dr Simon Miles
>>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>>>
>>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>>> Sent: 08 October 2012 15:06
>>> To:public-prov-wg@w3.org
>>> Subject: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday  10/10)
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> At
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#PROV-DM_.28Under_Review.29,
>>> please find our proposed responses to public comments:
>>> - ISSUE-530
>>> - ISSUE-520
>>> - ISSUE-521
>>> - ISSUE-522
>>> - ISSUE-509
>>> - ISSUE-526
>>> - ISSUE-502
>>>
>>> They will become the group responses unless we hear objects by Wednesday
>>> 10/10.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Luc
>>>
>>> PS. To help tracker, please include only the relevant issue number when
>>> responding.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>
>> -- 
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>
>
> -- 
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>

-- 
Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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