- From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:22:51 +0000
- To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Thanks, Paolo, if it was the intent, I had not understood this at all. It is however strange to me to have relations about things. I thought the whole point of entities was to say that we always talk about characterized things i.e. things and their situation in the world, which is what we call entity. Because of this, I didn't think we had the ability to refer to things. Luc, Confused On 01/16/2012 05:14 PM, Paolo Missier wrote: > Luc > > I have made amends in my latest email of 1/2 hour ago or so, where I > ack that the two relations are not on the same level, i.e., > > alternateOf is about things > specializationOf is about entities > > as James suggested > > This can be reflected it the text once we agree, as usual > > -Paolo > > > On 1/16/12 5:10 PM, Luc Moreau wrote: >> Hi James, >> >> I think that multiple conversations are touching the very issue: it's >> connecting >> to the discussion on identifiers. >> >> In his introduction, Paolo has defined these relations as being >> between two records (i.e. two descriptions). However, later on, the >> same terminology is no longer used. >> >> Luc >> >> On 01/16/2012 04:09 PM, James Cheney wrote: >>> In that case, would you (or Luc) also agree with describing >>> "specializationOf(e1,e2)" as "e1 and e2 describe the same thing, and >>> e1 is more detailed/specific than e2"? >>> >>> The concern I have about specalizationOf is that it is about the >>> descriptions, not the described things. I can rationalize >>> alternateOf as saying that "e1 and e2 refer to the same thing", >>> which is almost what Luc wrote, but to rationalize specializationOf >>> I need e1 and e2 to refer to descriptions, not things themselves. >>> (I think it is this distinction that is one of the root causes of >>> confusion here.) >>> >>> --James >>> >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Paolo Missier wrote: >>> >>> >>>> thing (we just crossed in the mail) >>>> -Paolo >>>> >>>> On 1/16/12 4:03 PM, Luc Moreau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi James, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To add on to this, did we really mean >>>>> >>>>> e1 and e2 provide two different characterization of the same entity >>>>> >>>>> or did we mean >>>>> >>>>> e1 and e2 provide two different characterization of the same THING? >>>>> >>>>> Luc >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > > -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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