- From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:49:20 +0000
- To: Curt Tilmes <Curt.Tilmes@nasa.gov>
- CC: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Hi Curt, What if e1 belongs to two dictionaries, with keys k1 and k2, respectively? Luc On 12/20/2012 02:44 PM, Curt Tilmes wrote: > hadMember(c,e) can't have additional attributes or other arguments. > > You could do something like: > > entity(d, [prov:type='prov:Dictionary']) > entity(e1, [prov:key='k1']) > hadMember(d, e1) > > This adds prov:key to the 'prov:' namespace, but that should be ok, > since we've said Notes can do so. > > We could make it a little more specific to Dictionaries with > "prov:dictkey='k1'". > > > I'm also not sure what to do with multiple membership like: > > d = [(k1, e1), (k2, e1)] > > (Just give it two "prov:key"s?) > > Curt > > On 12/20/2012 09:23 AM, Tom De Nies wrote: >> Hello Luc, >> >> I understand your concern, and it's something we can address before >> proceeding. During the last telecon, we motivated our desire to redesign >> the original memberOf relation of Dictionary. Basically, we'd like >> consistency with Collection membership. >> >> Would the notation hadMember(d1, e1, "k1") address you concern? (without >> the brackets) >> In essence, this adds one attribute to the Collection membership for >> Dictionary. It also would mean minimal changes througout the document. >> >> Tom >> >> On Dec 20, 2012 3:07 PM, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >> <mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom and Sam, >> >> Sorry for the delay. >> I have some concerns about the proposed membership relation. >> >> PROV requires members of a collection to be entities. >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-prov-dm-20121211/#concept-collection >> >> Given this, your relation >> hadMember(d, ("k1", e1)) >> seems to indicate that ("k1",e1) is also an entity. >> >> It's not how I had initially envisaged this to work. I see e1 as an >> entity >> belonging to the dictionary d, with "k1" it's key. >> So, in my view, we have: >> hadMember(d,e1) >> but not >> hadMember(d,("k1",e1)) >> >> If ("k1",e1) is an entity, what is its identifier? >> >> Grammatically, hadMember(d,("k1",e1)) is not compatible with the >> prov-n notation, since the second argument of hadMember has to >> be a qualified name (the identity of the member). >> >> To me, it's important that we address this issue, before going into >> a review. >> >> Luc >> >> >> On 12/18/2012 04:03 PM, Tom De Nies wrote: >>> Specific questions we have for reviewers are: >>> >>> 1. Is the notation of Dictionary concepts clear & acceptable for >>> you? (in PROV-N and PROV-O) >>> 2. Are the constraints acceptable, or are they too loose/too >>> strict? >>> 3. Are you happy with the solution to the issue regarding >>> completeness? (Tracing back to an EmptyDictionary) >>> 4. Is the note ready to be published as FPWD? >>> >>> We would like to end the internal review after the first week of >>> the new year. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, and happy holidays! >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> 2012/12/18 Sam Coppens Ugent <sam.coppens@ugent.be >>> <mailto:sam.coppens@ugent.be>> >>> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> The Dictionary Note >>> (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/prov-dictionary.html) >>> has been finalised for review. Feedback on the note is welcome. >>> Could everybody also check the authors of the document? If >>> someone is missing, let us know. >>> >>> Thanks a lot! >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Sam & Tom >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Professor Luc Moreau >> Electronics and Computer Science tel:+44 23 8059 4487 >> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%204487> >> University of Southampton fax:+44 23 8059 2865 >> <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%202865> >> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >> <mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> >> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >> > > -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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