- From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:23:11 +0000
- To: Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu>
- CC: Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu>, Daniel Garijo <dgarijo@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es>, Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Satya, You are referring to owl typed literals. Up to the prov-o team to map prov-dm literals to what you find appropriate in owl. Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom On 6 Nov 2011, at 20:54, "Satya Sahoo" <satya.sahoo@case.edu<mailto:satya.sahoo@case.edu>> wrote: Hi Luc, It was not my intent. Up to the ontology team to specify the mapping. OWL does not allow object property to be defined between a types literal and individuals [1]. As Stephan said, only Datatype property can be defined between literal and individuals. I am not sure how the ontology team can specify this mapping? Best, Satya [1] OWL Primer: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-owl2-primer-20091027/#Object_Properties I see no reason why some qualifiers could not map to object property. Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom On 6 Nov 2011, at 19:08, "Stephan Zednik" <zednis@rpi.edu<mailto:zednis@rpi.edu>> wrote: > I interpret "Typed Literal" as enforcing a DataTypeProperty in the OWL > encoding. Is this not your intent? > > --Stephan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luc Moreau [mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>] > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:56 AM > To: Stephan Zednik > Cc: Daniel Garijo; Jim McCusker; Provenance Working Group WG > Subject: Re: PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data > Model] > > Hi Stephan, > Why can't you do it with the typed literals of prov-dm? I don't understand > The objction. Urls are one of the permitted types. You can use This to refer > to any Of your classes. > > Professor Luc Moreau > Electronics and Computer Science > University of Southampton > Southampton SO17 1BJ > United Kingdom > > On 6 Nov 2011, at 18:45, "Stephan Zednik" > <zednis@rpi.edu<mailto:zednis@rpi.edu><mailto:zednis@rpi.edu<mailto:zednis@rpi.edu>>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Comment below. > > From: Luc Moreau [mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>] > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:02 AM > To: Daniel Garijo > Cc: Jim McCusker; Provenance Working Group WG > Subject: Re: PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data > Model] > > Hi Daniel, > That's seems fine modelling and prov-dm supports it. > Luc > > On 06/11/11 16:14, Daniel Garijo wrote: > Hi Jim, > what was rejected is Roles being subclasses of Entities. > Roles can still be classes... > The statement that qualifiers must be typed literals seems to contradict the > statement that roles can still be classes. > What's even more important to me, it seems we are implying that all > qualifiers should be typed literals. Qualifiers are designated an extension > point in the prov-DM, but we are now limiting these extensions to being just > Literals. > I presume the idea of 'extension' is that there would be a prov:qualifer > DataTypeProperty in prov-o and users would be encouraged to define > domain-specific sub-properties? If a user wishes to define a > domain-specific objectProperty for use in Usage or Generation, etc., then > this would not be an extension of a qualifier? > Is time information on Usage, Generation, etc. a defined specialization of > qualifier? Are we happy with limiting our time statements to Literals? > --Stephan > > In your example, I would make "presidentRole" and instance of class Role and > then link it to the entity "Barack Obama". > > Best, > Daniel > 2011/11/6 Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu><mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>>> > Make Roles resources like Entities. Classes of Roles (Creator, Publisher, > PrincipleInvestigator) are instantiated for each Entity. Of course, this is > rather similar to what's been rejected (?), but is still the best choice, > IMO. This would be, for instance, "Barack Obama's role as president", as > opposed to "the role of president", which would be a class. > > Role could also be an extension of skos:Concept and allow you to express > "the role of president" directly without custom instantiation. > > Jim > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Luc Moreau > <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk><mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>> wrote: >> Ok, so, what's alternative suggestion ? >> >> Professor Luc Moreau >> Electronics and Computer Science >> University of Southampton >> Southampton SO17 1BJ >> United Kingdom >> >> >> On 6 Nov 2011, at 12:59, "Jim McCusker" > <mccusj@rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu><mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>>> wrote: >> >>> This is a misunderstanding of a URI literal versus URI resource. When >>> a URI resource is used, it can link to that resource when it has >>> assertions made about it. This is not possible or intended with URI >>> literals. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Luc Moreau > <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk><mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>> wrote: >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> But doesn't this include URIs by means of typed literals? >>>> >>>> Professor Luc Moreau >>>> Electronics and Computer Science >>>> University of Southampton >>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ >>>> United Kingdom >>>> >>>> On 6 Nov 2011, at 01:20, "Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker" > <sysbot+tracker@w3.org<mailto:sysbot%2Btracker@w3.org><mailto:sysbot%2Btracker@w3.org<mailto:sysbot%252Btracker@w3.org>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data Model] >>>>> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/142 >>>>> >>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo >>>>> On product: Data Model >>>>> >>>>> prov-dm, 5.5.1 Qualifier: >>>>> >>>>> "The value associated with a role attribute must be conformant with > Literal." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Will this prevent PROV-O from using URIs to cite roles? >>>>> >>>>> Restricting roles to literals will be severely limiting for PROV-O and > semantic web applications, since literals cannot be described or served as > linked data, and thus consumers will be unable to determine more information > about what the role means. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jim McCusker >>> Programmer Analyst >>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics Yale School of Medicine >>> james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu><mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu>> | (203) >>> 785-6330<tel:%28203%29%20785-6330> >>> http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu >>> >>> PhD Student >>> Tetherless World Constellation >>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu><mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>> >>> http://tw.rpi.edu >> >> > > > > -- > Jim McCusker > Programmer Analyst > Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics > Yale School of Medicine > james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu><mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu<mailto:james.mccusker@yale.edu>> | (203) > 785-6330<tel:%28203%29%20785-6330> > http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu > > PhD Student > Tetherless World Constellation > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu><mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu<mailto:mccusj@cs.rpi.edu>> > http://tw.rpi.edu > > > >
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