- From: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:25:19 +0100
- To: Olaf Hartig <hartig@informatik.hu-berlin.de>
- CC: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Olaf,
Many thanks for your feedback. It is most valuable. Most of your comments have
been actioned in the draft version at
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/cf79b13c1217/paq/provenance-access.html
There are a couple of issues you raise here which I am treating as unresolved:
(1) the subject of HTTP/HTML links specifying provenance-URI, context-URI. This
was already raised as ISSUE 68, so I've added a note there.
(2) the section on adding links to RDF original data remains incomplete. I
briefly discuss it below, but I have not yet updated the document other than to
add some comments.
Olaf Hartig wrote:
> Hello,
>
> (Sorry, I wasn't able to make the call today.)
>
> I took another look at (the latest version of) the PAQ document today. Here
> are my comments:
>
> --Section 1.2--
> *) The term "web resource" is not described in AWWW. AWWW Sec.2.2 just
> introduces the term "resource".
Good catch. I sometimes like to use the term "web resource" to underscore the
intent. I've changed this, and also the definition of "resource" in section 1.1.
> *) The use of "context" and "context-URI" fit quite well here; much better than
> "target".
Thanks!
> --Section 3.1--
> *) Why do we begin with the POWDER mechanism here? I would propose to remove
> the reference to POWDER from the begin of this section and, instead, mention
> later in the secti n something along the lines of: Oh b.t.w. POWDER proposed
> something similar.
Agreed. I've moved the reference to POWDER to the main section body and made it
less prominent.
>
> *) Regarding the first Issue (i.e. a separate Link header field for anchor or
> anchor as a parameter): We should pick the second because it is precise about
> which provenance-URI is associated with which context-URI.
That is true. But that [precision cannot be achieved using the alternative
mechanisms. especially HTML <link> element, so I'm actually leaning the other
way. I've updated ISSUE 68 (http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/68) to
mention this problem. I'm treating it as currently unresolved.
> *) Regarding the second Issue: I wouldn't consider the linked provenance
> information authoritative.
Thanks.
I'm getting a sense that there may be some consensus here:)
>
> --Section 3.2--
> *) Same issue with POWDER as raised for Sec.3.1.
Agreed. Reference removed as noted above.
> *) Why do we need the <meta name="wdr.issuedby"... element in the example?
> The text doesn't say anything about it; so, it may only cause confusion and,
> thus, should be removed.
A cut-and-paste passenger.
I agree. I noticed this before and intended to remove it. This time, I shall.
> --Section 3.2.1--
> *) Same issue with the <meta name="wdr.issuedby"... element in the example
> as raised for Sec.3.2.
Yes. Done.
> *) Regarding the Issue (i.e. what about the relationship between linked
> provenance information and provenance information provided via meta elements
> in the document itself): So far, we are not concerned with practices to
> directly embed provenance information into the documents (or, in more general
> terms, into representations of Web resources). As long as we don't do that (we
> should!), I don't see a need to discuss this issue in the document.
Agreed - I've removed that issue from the document at the same time as
de-emphasizing the relationship to POWDER.
> --Section 3.3--
> *) For prov:hasProvenance triples I still don't understand how the subject is
> associated to the set of RDF triples that contains the corresponding
> prov:hasProvenance triple. To put it differently, what URI do I as a publisher
> use in the subject position of a prov:hasProvenance triple if I want to say
> that the object resource represents provenance information about that very set
> of triples which currently represent the resource in question.
You use the URI of the containing RDF. For RDF documents, this is sometimes
written as an empty URI-reference; e.g.
<rdf:Description rdf:about="">
<prov:hasProvenance rdf:resource="(provenance_URI)"/>
</rdf:Description>
(If publishing the RDF in a named graph, then use the URI of the graph.)
I agree this section needs fleshing out still. I guess I was waiting for the
dust to settle on the provenance model and vocabulary.
> --Section 4--
> At first glance the proposed HTTP interface for discovery looks good. I will
> give it a second read.
>
> However, a minor syntactic issue in the example in Sec.4.2.1.2: the last
> semicolon has to be removed.
Thanks! Fixed.
#g
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