- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:14:39 -0400
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the October 21 voice conference are available at
the following and copied below:
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-pointer-events mail list before October 28. In the
absence of any changes, these minutes will be considered approved.
-Thanks, ArtB
W3C <http://www.w3.org/>
- DRAFT -
Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
21 Oct 2014
Agenda
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0022.html>
See also:IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-irc>
Attendees
Present
Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Doug_Schepers, Patrick_Lauke,
Scott_Gonzαlez, Jacob_Rossi, Matt_Brubeck, Asir_Vedamuthu
Regrets
Rick_Byers, Sangwhan_Moon
Chair
ArtB
Scribe
ArtB
Contents
* Topics <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#agenda>
1. Tweak and agree on agenda
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item01>
2. PR-1299 and PR-1300
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item02>
3. Bug-26888 - Add "pointerleave" to "9.1 The touch-action CSS
property"
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item03>
4. Testing and Interop
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item04>
5. "click" in the example event sequences in 11.2 Mapping for
devices that do not support hover
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item05>
6. AoB <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item06>
* Summary of Action Items
<http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: ArtB
<rbyers> Regrets from me this week - sorry for the very short notice.
Tweak and agree on agenda
AB:yesterday I posted a Draft
agendahttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0022.html.
... Since then PR-1287 was merged so I propose we drop that agenda item
and add the two new PRs (PR-1299 and PR-1300) that were added after the
draft agenda was posted
... any objections?
[ None ]
AB:any other change requests?
DS:let's talk TPAC during AoB
AB:sounds good
PR-1299 and PR-1300
AB:Jacob submitted
PR-1299https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287and
PR-1300https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1299yesterday.
... Jacob, what's up with these PRs?
<mbrubeck> s/1287yesterday/1300/
JR:1299https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287
1300https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287
not good for testing, especially scrolling
these make the tests more reliable
1300 just updates 1 test file
this will also help with the reliability
I will also fix any -manual issues
<jrossi>https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1299
that is, I'll just update the names since that doesn't affect the test
<jrossi>https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1300
AB:so we need some to review these PRs
any volunteers?
MB:I can review them
would be happy to have help
CC:I can help
JR:probably only need 2 people for 1299 and just one for 1300
AB:how will you split this up Matt and Cathy?
CC:will figure it out offline
<scribe>*ACTION:*Matt work with Cathy to review PRs 1299 and 1300
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Work with cathy to review prs 1299 and
1300 [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-10-28].
AB:thanks Matt and Cathy
... if you review leads to a +1, then please go ahead and merge the PRs
Bug-26888 - Add "pointerleave" to "9.1 The touch-action CSS property"
AB:we discussed this bug previously and Jacob submitted a patch
yesterdayhttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/0dc3e51284e4.
... Any comments on the patch?
<patrick_h_lauke> LGTM
AB:I also would say LGTM
if people need more time, that's fine
JR:the last time we talked about this there was some speculation this
issue could be in other parts of the spec
I searched and did not find any other occurences
AB:if no one needs more time, then let's record a Resolution that we
agree with Jacob's proposal
*RESOLUTION: group agrees with Jacob's patch for Bug-26888*
Testing and Interop
AB:before we can start formal interop testing, we'll need to get closure
on PR-1299 and PR-1300. If we assume those PRs will be ok, then we have
a few Q and issues to discuss.
... one item is who is going to run the
testshttp://w3c-test.org/pointerevents/on various implementations?
... can we get commitments to run the tests on IE and FFMetro?
JR:I can run the IE tests
re constructor stuff, we have an internal build
MB:I or someone else can run the tests on FF Metro
<scribe>*ACTION:*Jacob run the PE tests on IE after all open PRs are
resolved [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Run the pe tests on ie after all open
prs are resolved [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-10-28].
<scribe>*ACTION:*Matt run the PE tests on FF Metro after all open PRs
are resolved [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Run the pe tests on ff metro after all
open prs are resolved [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-10-28].
AB:another related issue is whether or not to use the w-p-t
runnerhttp://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.htmlto run the tests.
... Given most tests are manual, it's not clear that using the runner
will be the most efficient way to run the tests but it does have a good
benefit of optionally creating a JSON file of the results and there is a
tool to merge results files to create an Interop/Implementation Report.
... For an example, see the IndexedDB test result
repohttps://github.com/w3c/test-results/tree/gh-pages/IndexedDB.Note the
4 *.json files of test results for 4 different implementations.
... I haven't used the tool to merge the results but I'm sure
PLH/Robin/JGraham/Ms2ger or other good folks in the W3C's #testing
channel can help us. (For some additional info
seehttps://www.npmjs.org/package/wptreport.)
<https://www.npmjs.org/package/wptreport.%29>
still a bit bleeding edge
MB:has anyone used runner with the PE tests?
JR:for manual tests, can those tests be verified?
AB:yes, I do believe that is the way it works
but I haven't tried it
JR:seems to be working
AB:can you Matt try it now?
MB:no not now
but you can assign me an action and I'll try it
<scribe>*ACTION:*matt try using w-p-t runner to run the PE tests on FF
Metro and report the results to the group [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Try using w-p-t runner to run the pe
tests on ff metro and report the results to the group [on Matt Brubeck -
due 2014-10-28].
JR:it uses Window.open
not sure if FFMetro supports that
MB:there could be some probs there; I'll need to check
AB:we have some experimenting to do before we can agree or not on using
runner
but we'll try to use it if/when possible
AV:so is the default to just do manual testing?
AB:yes, that seems to be the case
JR:if runner doesn't work, then can run runner just to get the JSON file
and then directly update the file with the data from running the tests
manually
AB:that makes sense to me
MB:yes agree
AB:do you foresee any probs with us using runner test results for our
Impl Report?
DS:I'll check with PLH
<jrossi> example output from merging
JSON:https://w3c.github.io/test-results/IndexedDB/all.html
<scribe>*ACTION:*Doug check with Philippe if the runner test reporting
mechanism is OK for CR [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Check with philippe if the runner test
reporting mechanism is ok for cr [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-10-28].
AB:here's an
examplehttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/2014OctDec/0017.html
http://w3c.github.io/test-results/eventsource/all.html
AB:so my Q to Doug, is if something like this all.html file is acceptable
DS:yes, let me check with PLH
AB:any other Qs about testing?
AV:what is the realtionship between the TA table and the Impl Report?
AB:there is no requirement to have a linkage
the TA doc should be part of the test suite
AV:yes, it is difficult to keep it in sync
what is the key metric for the report?
JR:the runner is test cases (more granualr than test file)
AV:so metric is number of tests passed?
JR:the runner tool lists test cases
we should consider the TA doc as superceded by the test report
don't think we need to do any additional work on the TA doc
AV:so the wiki is no longer important once we have the test report
AB:I see the TA doc as a good tool with getting us organized but its not
important once we have detailed test results
AV:then I think the TA doc should be documented as such
<scribe>*ACTION:*Art work with Asir on a bold heading on the TA doc that
says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Work with asir on a bold heading on the
ta doc that says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [on Arthur
Barstow - due 2014-10-28].
AB:anything else on testing for today?
[ None ]
"click" in the example event sequences in 11.2 Mapping for devices
that do not support hover
AB:Patrick started this thread on October
17;http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0020.html.Jacob
replied
yesterdayhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0025.html.
<patrick_h_lauke> (famous for my short and to the point email subjects...)
AB:it's not clear if the spec needs to change or not.
JR:I don't think we need to change the spec
it's a bug in IE
<patrick_h_lauke> "The relative ordering of these high-level events
(click, contextmenu, focus, blur, etc.) with pointer events is undefined
and varies between user agents."
PL:for developers, could use some clarification
<patrick_h_lauke>https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#compatibility-mapping-with-mouse-events
but I'm not adamant; could leave it as is too
<patrick_h_lauke>https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#mapping-for-devices-that-do-not-support-hover
PL:see 2nd Note in section 11.1
<patrick_h_lauke> so wondering if worth adding a small reminder of the
note from 11. to the note in 11.1
JR:I don't want to document an IE bug
think another note is overkill
we will fix this so don't want to mention it
If I put a note in it could imply current behavior is intended
PL:if we decide it would be overkill, then that's ok
<patrick_h_lauke> happy to leave it
AB:if anyone feels real strong, please speak up
<patrick_h_lauke> as the "typically produce" wording a the start of the
informative note gives us enough leeway anyway
*RESOLUTION: re "click" in the example
we agree to leave the spec as is*
<patrick_h_lauke> +1
AoB
AB:I'll be at TPAC next week so no call on Oct 28. I hope to see some of
you there.
... Rick organized a "Scroll linked effects - demos and brainstorming"
ad hoc meeting @ TPAC on Tuesday Oct 28
11:00-12:00https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/ad-hoc-meetings#Scroll_linked_effects_-_demos_and_brainstorming.This
could be interesting to some of you.
<jrossi>https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/ad-hoc-meetings#Scroll_linked_effects_-_demos_and_brainstorming
<patrick_h_lauke> any chance to remotely connect?
AB:my understanding is that support for remote participation in "ad hoc
meetings" is ad hoc
that is, the answer is "it depends"
<patrick_h_lauke> i'll check closer to the time with rick, no worries
<scribe>*ACTION:*barstow determine if Rick's scrolling ad hoc meeting
will facilitate remote participation and report that on p-pointer-events
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Determine if rick's scrolling ad hoc
meeting will facilitate remote participation and report that on
p-pointer-events [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-10-28].
<asir> I like to listen in
<jrossi> IRC channel: #tpacscroll
<patrick_h_lauke> borrow a google glass and film/stream it live ;)
DS:for those of us that are going to be at TPAC, perhaps we should have
an informal chat session
for topics like Touch Events
could try to get Apple involved
nothing formal but since we're all there, perhaps we should try to get
together
JR:yes agree
CSSWG is taking about snappoint events
I'll be there M+Tu+W
<patrick_h_lauke> as side note,
ICYMIhttps://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137069
DS:I'd like to participate in the snappoint talk so please let me know
if/when that happens
AB:anything else?
... thanks all; meeting adjourned.
<patrick_h_lauke> fedex the champagne over...
<patrick_h_lauke> ah...foiled
Summary of Action Items
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Art work with Asir on a bold heading on the TA doc that
says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*barstow determine if Rick's scrolling ad hoc meeting
will facilitate remote participation and report that on p-pointer-events
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Doug check with Philippe if the runner test reporting
mechanism is OK for CR [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Jacob run the PE tests on IE after all open PRs are
resolved [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Matt run the PE tests on FF Metro after all open PRs are
resolved [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*matt try using w-p-t runner to run the PE tests on FF
Metro and report the results to the group [recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04]
*[NEW]**ACTION:*Matt work with Cathy to review PRs 1299 and 1300
[recorded
inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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