- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:14:39 -0400
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the October 21 voice conference are available at the following and copied below: <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html> WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-pointer-events mail list before October 28. In the absence of any changes, these minutes will be considered approved. -Thanks, ArtB W3C <http://www.w3.org/> - DRAFT - Pointer Events WG Voice Conference 21 Oct 2014 Agenda <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0022.html> See also:IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-irc> Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Doug_Schepers, Patrick_Lauke, Scott_Gonzαlez, Jacob_Rossi, Matt_Brubeck, Asir_Vedamuthu Regrets Rick_Byers, Sangwhan_Moon Chair ArtB Scribe ArtB Contents * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#agenda> 1. Tweak and agree on agenda <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item01> 2. PR-1299 and PR-1300 <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item02> 3. Bug-26888 - Add "pointerleave" to "9.1 The touch-action CSS property" <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item03> 4. Testing and Interop <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item04> 5. "click" in the example event sequences in 11.2 Mapping for devices that do not support hover <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item05> 6. AoB <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#item06> * Summary of Action Items <http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#ActionSummary> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB <scribe> Scribe: ArtB <rbyers> Regrets from me this week - sorry for the very short notice. Tweak and agree on agenda AB:yesterday I posted a Draft agendahttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0022.html. ... Since then PR-1287 was merged so I propose we drop that agenda item and add the two new PRs (PR-1299 and PR-1300) that were added after the draft agenda was posted ... any objections? [ None ] AB:any other change requests? DS:let's talk TPAC during AoB AB:sounds good PR-1299 and PR-1300 AB:Jacob submitted PR-1299https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287and PR-1300https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1299yesterday. ... Jacob, what's up with these PRs? <mbrubeck> s/1287yesterday/1300/ JR:1299https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287 1300https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1287 not good for testing, especially scrolling these make the tests more reliable 1300 just updates 1 test file this will also help with the reliability I will also fix any -manual issues <jrossi>https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1299 that is, I'll just update the names since that doesn't affect the test <jrossi>https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1300 AB:so we need some to review these PRs any volunteers? MB:I can review them would be happy to have help CC:I can help JR:probably only need 2 people for 1299 and just one for 1300 AB:how will you split this up Matt and Cathy? CC:will figure it out offline <scribe>*ACTION:*Matt work with Cathy to review PRs 1299 and 1300 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Work with cathy to review prs 1299 and 1300 [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-10-28]. AB:thanks Matt and Cathy ... if you review leads to a +1, then please go ahead and merge the PRs Bug-26888 - Add "pointerleave" to "9.1 The touch-action CSS property" AB:we discussed this bug previously and Jacob submitted a patch yesterdayhttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/0dc3e51284e4. ... Any comments on the patch? <patrick_h_lauke> LGTM AB:I also would say LGTM if people need more time, that's fine JR:the last time we talked about this there was some speculation this issue could be in other parts of the spec I searched and did not find any other occurences AB:if no one needs more time, then let's record a Resolution that we agree with Jacob's proposal *RESOLUTION: group agrees with Jacob's patch for Bug-26888* Testing and Interop AB:before we can start formal interop testing, we'll need to get closure on PR-1299 and PR-1300. If we assume those PRs will be ok, then we have a few Q and issues to discuss. ... one item is who is going to run the testshttp://w3c-test.org/pointerevents/on various implementations? ... can we get commitments to run the tests on IE and FFMetro? JR:I can run the IE tests re constructor stuff, we have an internal build MB:I or someone else can run the tests on FF Metro <scribe>*ACTION:*Jacob run the PE tests on IE after all open PRs are resolved [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Run the pe tests on ie after all open prs are resolved [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-10-28]. <scribe>*ACTION:*Matt run the PE tests on FF Metro after all open PRs are resolved [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Run the pe tests on ff metro after all open prs are resolved [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-10-28]. AB:another related issue is whether or not to use the w-p-t runnerhttp://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.htmlto run the tests. ... Given most tests are manual, it's not clear that using the runner will be the most efficient way to run the tests but it does have a good benefit of optionally creating a JSON file of the results and there is a tool to merge results files to create an Interop/Implementation Report. ... For an example, see the IndexedDB test result repohttps://github.com/w3c/test-results/tree/gh-pages/IndexedDB.Note the 4 *.json files of test results for 4 different implementations. ... I haven't used the tool to merge the results but I'm sure PLH/Robin/JGraham/Ms2ger or other good folks in the W3C's #testing channel can help us. (For some additional info seehttps://www.npmjs.org/package/wptreport.) <https://www.npmjs.org/package/wptreport.%29> still a bit bleeding edge MB:has anyone used runner with the PE tests? JR:for manual tests, can those tests be verified? AB:yes, I do believe that is the way it works but I haven't tried it JR:seems to be working AB:can you Matt try it now? MB:no not now but you can assign me an action and I'll try it <scribe>*ACTION:*matt try using w-p-t runner to run the PE tests on FF Metro and report the results to the group [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Try using w-p-t runner to run the pe tests on ff metro and report the results to the group [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-10-28]. JR:it uses Window.open not sure if FFMetro supports that MB:there could be some probs there; I'll need to check AB:we have some experimenting to do before we can agree or not on using runner but we'll try to use it if/when possible AV:so is the default to just do manual testing? AB:yes, that seems to be the case JR:if runner doesn't work, then can run runner just to get the JSON file and then directly update the file with the data from running the tests manually AB:that makes sense to me MB:yes agree AB:do you foresee any probs with us using runner test results for our Impl Report? DS:I'll check with PLH <jrossi> example output from merging JSON:https://w3c.github.io/test-results/IndexedDB/all.html <scribe>*ACTION:*Doug check with Philippe if the runner test reporting mechanism is OK for CR [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Check with philippe if the runner test reporting mechanism is ok for cr [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-10-28]. AB:here's an examplehttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/2014OctDec/0017.html http://w3c.github.io/test-results/eventsource/all.html AB:so my Q to Doug, is if something like this all.html file is acceptable DS:yes, let me check with PLH AB:any other Qs about testing? AV:what is the realtionship between the TA table and the Impl Report? AB:there is no requirement to have a linkage the TA doc should be part of the test suite AV:yes, it is difficult to keep it in sync what is the key metric for the report? JR:the runner is test cases (more granualr than test file) AV:so metric is number of tests passed? JR:the runner tool lists test cases we should consider the TA doc as superceded by the test report don't think we need to do any additional work on the TA doc AV:so the wiki is no longer important once we have the test report AB:I see the TA doc as a good tool with getting us organized but its not important once we have detailed test results AV:then I think the TA doc should be documented as such <scribe>*ACTION:*Art work with Asir on a bold heading on the TA doc that says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Work with asir on a bold heading on the ta doc that says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-10-28]. AB:anything else on testing for today? [ None ] "click" in the example event sequences in 11.2 Mapping for devices that do not support hover AB:Patrick started this thread on October 17;http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0020.html.Jacob replied yesterdayhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0025.html. <patrick_h_lauke> (famous for my short and to the point email subjects...) AB:it's not clear if the spec needs to change or not. JR:I don't think we need to change the spec it's a bug in IE <patrick_h_lauke> "The relative ordering of these high-level events (click, contextmenu, focus, blur, etc.) with pointer events is undefined and varies between user agents." PL:for developers, could use some clarification <patrick_h_lauke>https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#compatibility-mapping-with-mouse-events but I'm not adamant; could leave it as is too <patrick_h_lauke>https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#mapping-for-devices-that-do-not-support-hover PL:see 2nd Note in section 11.1 <patrick_h_lauke> so wondering if worth adding a small reminder of the note from 11. to the note in 11.1 JR:I don't want to document an IE bug think another note is overkill we will fix this so don't want to mention it If I put a note in it could imply current behavior is intended PL:if we decide it would be overkill, then that's ok <patrick_h_lauke> happy to leave it AB:if anyone feels real strong, please speak up <patrick_h_lauke> as the "typically produce" wording a the start of the informative note gives us enough leeway anyway *RESOLUTION: re "click" in the example we agree to leave the spec as is* <patrick_h_lauke> +1 AoB AB:I'll be at TPAC next week so no call on Oct 28. I hope to see some of you there. ... Rick organized a "Scroll linked effects - demos and brainstorming" ad hoc meeting @ TPAC on Tuesday Oct 28 11:00-12:00https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/ad-hoc-meetings#Scroll_linked_effects_-_demos_and_brainstorming.This could be interesting to some of you. <jrossi>https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/ad-hoc-meetings#Scroll_linked_effects_-_demos_and_brainstorming <patrick_h_lauke> any chance to remotely connect? AB:my understanding is that support for remote participation in "ad hoc meetings" is ad hoc that is, the answer is "it depends" <patrick_h_lauke> i'll check closer to the time with rick, no worries <scribe>*ACTION:*barstow determine if Rick's scrolling ad hoc meeting will facilitate remote participation and report that on p-pointer-events [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Determine if rick's scrolling ad hoc meeting will facilitate remote participation and report that on p-pointer-events [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-10-28]. <asir> I like to listen in <jrossi> IRC channel: #tpacscroll <patrick_h_lauke> borrow a google glass and film/stream it live ;) DS:for those of us that are going to be at TPAC, perhaps we should have an informal chat session for topics like Touch Events could try to get Apple involved nothing formal but since we're all there, perhaps we should try to get together JR:yes agree CSSWG is taking about snappoint events I'll be there M+Tu+W <patrick_h_lauke> as side note, ICYMIhttps://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137069 DS:I'd like to participate in the snappoint talk so please let me know if/when that happens AB:anything else? ... thanks all; meeting adjourned. <patrick_h_lauke> fedex the champagne over... <patrick_h_lauke> ah...foiled Summary of Action Items *[NEW]**ACTION:*Art work with Asir on a bold heading on the TA doc that says it is frozen and no longer being worked on [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action06] *[NEW]**ACTION:*barstow determine if Rick's scrolling ad hoc meeting will facilitate remote participation and report that on p-pointer-events [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action07] *[NEW]**ACTION:*Doug check with Philippe if the runner test reporting mechanism is OK for CR [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action05] *[NEW]**ACTION:*Jacob run the PE tests on IE after all open PRs are resolved [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action02] *[NEW]**ACTION:*Matt run the PE tests on FF Metro after all open PRs are resolved [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action03] *[NEW]**ACTION:*matt try using w-p-t runner to run the PE tests on FF Metro and report the results to the group [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action04] *[NEW]**ACTION:*Matt work with Cathy to review PRs 1299 and 1300 [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-pointerevents-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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