Re: copy-write question

Hi,

Yes, Mats is correct here. You can definitely use the numbers. The only 
question is whether attribution needs to be made.

I am just going through the patent policy document and will be able to 
give you a definitive answer very soon.

Russell

On 2019-08-22 11:54 a.m., Mats L wrote:
> Hi Lisa,
>
> I hope Russell can give you a quick and proper reply to your 
> questions, but my guess would be that his "no" answer was to your 
> question to the numbers being copyright restricted, rather than to 
> whether someone could use your specification with them for "for 
> profit" products. So probably a bit of confusion there.
>
> If you stick to the CC-BY-SA license for the Blissymbolics lexicon 
> resources as a whole it does not restrict usage of any kind as long as 
> the same freedoms and restrictions are respected for derivative 
> resources (free use + BY=attribution, and SA=Share Alike). I.e. you 
> can not turn or directly bundle the resource into proprietary products.
>
> Just for my understanding:
> I haven't looked further at how you plan to use the numbering. The 
> numbers in ID numbers in themselves would be meaningless, so I suppose 
> you intend to use them with some kind of reference to the concept 
> gloss words and definitions. Is that right? If so, how will this 
> reference be done? Ideally such a reference should also include the so 
> called "Derivation" for each Bliss concept, as the gloss words in 
> themselves will quite often not be unambiguous.
>
> Cheers,
> Mats
>
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> Den tors 22 aug. 2019 kl 17:19 skrev lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com 
> <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>>:
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>     Hi Russell
>     What time frame do you think it will take to get a decisions if we
>     can use the BCI *numbers* in the specification in keeping with the
>     w3c patent policy at https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy
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>     We would need the licence to be in a stable url to be able to use
>     it in our specification.
>
>     All the best
>
>     Lisa Seeman
>
>     LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter
>     <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
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>     ---- On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:19:32 +0300 *Russell
>     <russell@blissymbolics.org <mailto:russell@blissymbolics.org>>*
>     wrote ----
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>         Hi Lisa,
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>         Well, that is a question that has never been asked before! My
>         initial reaction would be "no" but let me run it by the board
>         just in case.
>
>         Russell
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>         On 2019-08-20 7:03 a.m., lisa.seeman wrote:
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>             Hi Russell
>
>             Thanks for getting back to us so quickly.
>
>             We are just talking about using the BCI reference number.
>             Not the actual symbols.
>             We need people to be able to use the specification for
>             profit applications without paying royalties.
>
>             Are the BCI numbers subject to copywrite and if so can
>             people make a "for profit" product that uses them (such as
>             a web page) royalty free?
>
>             All the best
>
>             Lisa Seeman
>
>             LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter
>             <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
>
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>             ---- On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 18:42:27 +0300 *Russell
>             <russell@blissymbolics.org>
>             <mailto:russell@blissymbolics.org>* wrote ----
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>                 Hi Lisa,
>
>                 The licensing information can be found at:
>
>                 http://blissymbolics.org/index.php/licensing
>
>                 If you have any further questions about it, I am
>                 currently the person to talk to. Attribution would be
>                 the only requirement, I think.
>
>                 For ISO codes, there is an older ISO 8859 encoding but
>                 it is no longer used or kept up to date. A proposal
>                 for a Unicode encoding is in a very advanced stage and
>                 hopefully that will become formalized very soon. There
>                 are some technical issues with how indicators are
>                 overlaid on symbols that is holding things up a bit
>                 but I am optimistic that this obstacle will be
>                 overcome very soon. However, the new Unicode encoding
>                 will consist of Bliss-characters - ie the building
>                 blocks of the language - and thus not contain every
>                 Bliss-word but only those words that are also
>                 Bliss-characters. So for a numbering system that
>                 refers to all Bliss-words, the BCI-AV numbers are the
>                 ones to use. It is by far the most widely used
>                 indexing. As far as other possible ISO standards such
>                 as 7001 or 7010 but for complete
>                 pictographic/ideographic languages, I'm not even aware
>                 of a standard let alone Bliss being part of it.
>
>                 Russell
>
>
>                 On 2019-08-19 11:06 a.m., lisa.seeman wrote:
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>                     Hi Russell!
>
>                     We are currently hoping to use BCI numbers as
>                     references options in our specification. See
>                     #symbol-explanation
>                     <https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#symbol-explanation>
>                     Is there any copy-write involved? What licence
>                     would that be under and is there a web link to it?
>
>                     Also do you know if any symbol sets have ISO codes?
>
>                     All the best
>
>                     Lisa Seeman
>
>                     LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>,
>                     Twitter <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
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