Re: OntoLex@Wikipedia

Am .04.2020, 22:57 Uhr, schrieb Dorian Cougias  
<dcougias@unifiedcompliance.com>:

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> Why RDF when the world seems to be going to JSON-LD?

 From an RDF perspective, JSON-LD is just yet another serialization of the  
same (=RDF) data model, so RDF includes JSON-LD ;)
 From the JSON perspective, this can be perceived differently, of course,  
but the vocabulary we're developing here is no different if applied to  
JSON-LD or other RDF serializations, and why should we list all possible  
serializations? (The list is growing anyway.)

Best,
Christian

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> From: Ilan Kernerman <ilan@kdictionaries.com>
> Date: Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 3:01 AM
> To: Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de>, Christian Chiarcos  
> <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, "John P. McCrae"  
> ><john@mccr.ae>, Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de>
> Cc: public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
> Subject: RE: OntoLex@Wikipedia
> Resent-From: <public-ontolex@w3.org>
> Resent-Date: Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 3:00 AM
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>
> Dear Christian, all
>
> Congratulations on making OntoLex live on Wikipedia, and many thanks for  
> the efforts!
>
> While being flattered by KDN's usefulness, the approval process does  
> seem too harsh.
>
> Proofing comments:
> a RDF format >>> an  RDF format (OR RDF format)
> ref 27: TIAD 2020 – 3rd (NOT 2nd)
> could add references in Elexis (https://elex.is/?s=ontolex) and eLex2019  
> (https://elex.link/elex2019/wp-content/>uploads/2019/09/eLex_2019_41.pdf)
>
> Best regards
>
> Ilan
>
>
> From: Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de>Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020  
> 12:10 PM
> To: Christian Chiarcos <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>; John P.  
> McCrae <john@mccr.ae>; Christian Chiarcos ><christian.chiarcos@web.de>
> Cc: public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: OntoLex@Wikipedia
>
>
> Dear Christian,
>
> Many thanks for those great news, and many thanks to the cotnributors!
>
> This will pave the way to the edtiion of LLOD and OntoLex pages in other  
> languages :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Thierry
>
> Am 05.04.2020 um 10:49 schrieb Christian Chiarcos:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> the OntoLex page is now live *and approved*:  
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Feel free to extend and  
>> >>translate ;) Thanks to all for the additional pointers. Special  
>> thanks to Ilan for running Kernerman Dictionary News and >>for   
>> reporting on OntoLex several times in this context. In the end, this  
>> was decisive  
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>>User_talk:1292simon#OntoLex_page),  
>> because the editors required demonstration of relevance by "news  
>> articles". I >>guess this was by mistake on their side anyway (see  
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>>Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#News_organizations  
>> vs.  
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>>Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Scholarship),  
>> but thanks to KDN, we have something they did accept.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Am .12.2019, 16:44 Uhr, schrieb Christian Chiarcos  
>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de>:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi John, dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>> thank you, added to the OntoLex draft (now under   
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:OntoLex) and resubmitted. >>>(Can  
>>> be further edited.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> Am .12.2019, 09:09 Uhr, schrieb John P. McCrae <john@mccr.ae>:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here are some good links:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple of books that reference the model:
>>>>
>>>> https://books.google.at/books?id=ej5qDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=%22ontolex+lemon>>>>%22&source=bl&ots=uxVR->>>>dcazZ&sig=ACfU3U10WV53UlTR1lLBJp0tIGGsQoCxpw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbwJrfz6rmAhWdURUIHbqPBTM4ChDoATAIegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=>>>>%22ontolex%20lemon%22&f=false
>>>>
>>>> https://books.google.at/books?id=ahWZDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=%22ontolex+lemon>>>>%22&source=bl&ots=gN4uqWlFW1&sig=ACfU3U2m5izzYu6uo7G4qMbTr584iJEFAw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjR7uHmz6rmAhU6XRUIHQBgByc4FBDoATAIegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=>>>>%22ontolex%20lemon%22&f=false
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Press releases:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.clarin.eu/blog/clarin-it-presents-lexo-where-lexicography-meets-semantic-web
>>>>
>>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/lexidma/charter.php
>>>>
>>>> http://aims.fao.org/activity/blog/version-402-vocbench-was-released-august-2018
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> European Technical Specification:
>>>>
>>>> https://ec.europa.eu/isa2/sites/isa/files/pmki.wp2_.d2.3_v1.0.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 at 21:39, Christian Chiarcos  
>>>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> has been reviewed, no complaints about spam or copyright anymore,  
>>>>> just about relevance, hence rejected. >>>>>Summary:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources.  
>>>>> Reliable sources are required so that >>>>>information can be  
>>>>> verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing  
>>>>> for >>>>>beginners and Citing sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies  
>>>>> for a Wikipedia article—that is, they >>>>>do not show significant  
>>>>> coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject >>>>>in  
>>>>> published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the  
>>>>> subject. Before any resubmission, >>>>>additional references meeting  
>>>>> these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn  
>>>>> >>>>>about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no  
>>>>> additional references exist, the subject is not >>>>>suitable for  
>>>>> Wikipedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> The comment the reviewer left was:
>>>>> Are there some news articles that suggest this is notable beyond W3C?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we can work that out more easily than the earlier  
>>>>> complaints. Not exactly wrt. "news articles" in any strict  
>>>>> >>>>>sense of the word, but with respect to coverage in scientific  
>>>>> communication. @Everyone: Please add your >>>>>favorite papers (own  
>>>>> or other) on OntoLex to the draft page  
>>>>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chiarcos/>>>>>OntoLex). I guess  
>>>>> everybody can edit this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrt. news articles: Have there been any press releases on  
>>>>> Pret-a-LLOD, Nexus Linguarum or other projects that >>>>>mention  
>>>>> OntoLex? This would be the closest thing to a "news article" I can  
>>>>> think of.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am .12.2019, 02:18 Uhr, schrieb Christian Chiarcos  
>>>>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am .12.2019, 21:13 Uhr, schrieb Manuel Fiorelli  
>>>>>> <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I tried to access the article, Wikipedia told that it was  
>>>>>>> deleted recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G11 ("spam"): We had that problem with creating a LLOD page, as  
>>>>>> well. But back then, we got a discussion, at >>>>>>least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G12 ("copyright"): The copyright infringement pertains to the  
>>>>>> OntoLex-core diagram. I put in the file >>>>>>documentation that  
>>>>>> this is a trivial visualization of commonly available information  
>>>>>> (it is a conventional class >>>>>>diagram, in the end), and used  
>>>>>> the corresponding tag but that wasn't convincing, it seems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A revision without details on the W3C CG, without the diagram and  
>>>>>> without any quotes now under   
>>>>>> https://>>>>>>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chiarcos/OntoLex.  
>>>>>> Submitted for revision by a Wikipedia editor. May take 4  
>>>>>> >>>>>>months, but can be edited until then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it would help if people express the need for such a page:  
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>>>>>>Wikipedia:Requested_articles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the message reporting on the deletion, I understood  
>>>>>>> that it was motives by a combination of two >>>>>>>issues:  
>>>>>>> promotional nature of the article and inclusion of copyrighted  
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what we should do to solve the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il ven 6 dic 2019, 19:56 Christian Chiarcos  
>>>>>>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Please  
>>>>>>>> check and
>>>>>>>> improve!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: Copyright of the OntoLex-Lemon core diagram seems to be  
>>>>>>>> restricted. Please
>>>>>>>> confirm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>> --Christian Chiarcos
>>>>>>>> Applied Computational Linguistics
>>>>>>>> Johann Wolfgang Goethe Universität Frankfurt a. M.
>>>>>>>> 60054 Frankfurt am Main, Germany
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> office: Robert-Mayer-Str. 10, #401b
>>>>>>>> mail: chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
>>>>>>>> web: http://acoli.cs.uni-frankfurt.de
>>>>>>>> tel: +49-(0)69-798-22463
>>>>>>>> fax: +49-(0)69-798-28931
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Fr., 6. Dez. 2019 um 21:13 Uhr schrieb Manuel Fiorelli  
>>>>>> <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I tried to access the article, Wikipedia told that it was  
>>>>>>> deleted recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the message reporting on the deletion, I understood  
>>>>>>> that it was motives by a combination of two >>>>>>>issues:  
>>>>>>> promotional nature of the article and inclusion of copyrighted  
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what we should do to solve the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il ven 6 dic 2019, 19:56 Christian Chiarcos  
>>>>>>> <christian.chiarcos@web.de> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Please  
>>>>>>>> check and
>>>>>>>> improve!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW: Copyright of the OntoLex-Lemon core diagram seems to be  
>>>>>>>> restricted. Please
>>>>>>>> confirm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>> --Christian Chiarcos
>>>>>>>> Applied Computational Linguistics
>>>>>>>> Johann Wolfgang Goethe Universität Frankfurt a. M.
>>>>>>>> 60054 Frankfurt am Main, Germany
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> office: Robert-Mayer-Str. 10, #401b
>>>>>>>> mail: chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
>>>>>>>> web: http://acoli.cs.uni-frankfurt.de
>>>>>>>> tel: +49-(0)69-798-22463
>>>>>>>> fax: +49-(0)69-798-28931
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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