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Re: citations etc

From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:00:55 +0200
To: John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>
Cc: Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
Message-ID: <eefbe1f4-f7f7-9e03-14cb-38307436fd7a@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Dear all,

  I am not available today either, sorry.

Please go ahead without me.

Greetings,

Philipp.


Am 25.06.18 um 11:42 schrieb John McCrae:
> Hi all,
>
> I won't be able to make it, but if you do make a call, please discuss 
> the planned face-to-face meeting.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 25 June 2018 at 10:11, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es 
> <mailto:jogracia@unizar.es>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Fahad, all,
>
>     > Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>
>     I think so. (However, I cannot be punctual today and will join a
>     bit later; sorry about that.)
>
>     BTW, I have expanded our set of definitions at
>     https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018>
>     with more details, particularly with Fahad's view taken from their
>     Euralex paper. @Fahad: please feel free to correct me or to add
>     anything else
>
>     Best,
>     Jorge
>
>
>     El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 10:58, Fahad Khan
>     (<anasfkhan81@gmail.com <mailto:anasfkhan81@gmail.com>>) escribió:
>
>         Hi everyone
>         Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>         Cheers
>         Fahad
>
>
>         On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:10 John McCrae,
>         <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org
>         <mailto:john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>> wrote:
>
>             Hi all,
>
>             As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call
>             today and have the next call in two weeks on the 25th.
>
>             Regards,
>             John
>
>             On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es
>             <mailto:jogracia@unizar.es>> wrote:
>
>                 Dear Philipp, all,
>
>                 I copied the minutes of the last telco in the
>                 wiki(https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST
>                 <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST>).
>
>                 Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions
>                 for "attestation" at
>                 https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018
>                 <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018>
>                 (feel free to add/modify anything)
>
>                 Best,
>                 Jorge
>
>                 El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano
>                 (<cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>                 <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>) escribió:
>
>                     Dear all,
>
>                       the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I
>                     mentioned that I am travelling and that I can not
>                     attend.
>
>                     The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common
>                     understanding of the concept of attestation. I
>                     proposed the following definition:
>
>                     Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a
>                     source that proves that the lexical entry has a
>                     certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>
>                     Once you have agreed on a common definition, it
>                     might be worth going in detail through the
>                     examples provided by Fahad.
>
>                     Best regards,
>
>                     Philipp.
>
>
>                     Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>                     Hi Philipp, all,
>>
>>                     When is the next telco taking place? today? next
>>                     week?
>>
>>                     Thanks!
>>                     Jorge
>>
>>
>>                     El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque
>>                     Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es
>>                     <mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>>) escribió:
>>
>>                         Dear all,
>>
>>                         I am available next Monday (11th) and the
>>                         following week (18th).
>>
>>                         Best,
>>
>>                         Julia
>>
>>                         El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien
>>                         Depuydt (<Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org
>>                         <mailto:Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>>) escribió:
>>
>>                             Hi all,
>>
>>                             I am available next Monday, but the week
>>                             after that as well.
>>
>>                             Kind regards,
>>
>>                             Katrien
>>
>>
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>>                             *Van:*Ilan Kernerman
>>                             [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com
>>                             <mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com>]
>>                             *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>                             *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano;
>>                             public-ontolex@w3.org
>>                             <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
>>                             *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>
>>                             I will not be available next week. My
>>                             apologies.
>>
>>                             Ilan
>>
>>                             *From:*Philipp Cimiano
>>                             [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>                             <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>                             *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>                             *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>                             <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
>>                             *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>
>>                             Dear Fahad,
>>
>>                             if this is the case, then I propose we
>>                             skip the teleconference today.
>>
>>                             It would be good to have you available to
>>                             discuss your paper and the definitions of
>>                             attestation.
>>
>>                             I propose then we postpone to next week.
>>                             I will not be available, but I think it
>>                             is more important that other players are
>>                             available (Fahad, Ilan, Katrien, etc.)
>>
>>                             Will John or Julia be available for
>>                             chairing next week?
>>
>>                             Kind regards,
>>
>>                             Philipp.
>>
>>                             Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>
>>                                 Hi Philipp,
>>
>>                                 I'm afraid I won't be able to attend
>>                                 today.
>>
>>                                 Cheers,
>>                                 Fahad
>>
>>                                 On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp
>>                                 Cimiano
>>                                 <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>                                 <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>
>>                                 wrote:
>>
>>                                     Dear all,
>>
>>                                      thanks for this Ilan.
>>
>>                                     @All. I had planned a telco for
>>                                     today as I will not be available
>>                                     for the next two weeks.
>>
>>                                     And here is my proposed
>>                                     definition for an attestation:
>>
>>                                     Attestation: An attestation is a
>>                                     reference to a source that proves
>>                                     that the lexical entry has a
>>                                     certain linguistic property (e.g.
>>                                     a sense).
>>
>>                                     I propose we talk at 13:00 today
>>                                     to touch base and see how we
>>                                     continue our discussion on
>>                                     attestation.
>>
>>                                     Talk to you later,
>>
>>                                     Philipp.
>>
>>                                     Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan
>>                                     Kernerman:
>>
>>                                         Dear all,
>>
>>                                         Following our last call, here
>>                                         are some suggestions:
>>
>>                                         ·A /citation/ consists of a
>>                                         quote from a corpus (text);
>>                                         it may either (i) include a
>>                                         reference to its origin
>>                                         (/bibl/), or (ii) not.
>>
>>                                         oAn /attestation/ is the
>>                                         reference to a source
>>                                         (/bibl/) without its actual
>>                                         /citation/.
>>
>>                                         §(in other words, /bibl/ and
>>                                         /attestation/ might be
>>                                         similar, but the latter is
>>                                         not preceded by a /citation/)
>>
>>                                         ·An /example of usage/ (or
>>                                         /usage example/) is
>>                                         human-crafted, whether (i)
>>                                         corpus-inspired/derived, or
>>                                         (ii) not.
>>
>>                                         oThe /example/ can consist of
>>                                         either a full sentence or a
>>                                         short phrase (and could also
>>                                         be a /citation/)
>>
>>                                         §(there are different types
>>                                         of examples – mainly of
>>                                         general patterns, for
>>                                         reception/decoding purposes,
>>                                         active for
>>                                         production/encoding – but
>>                                         that is probably beyond the
>>                                         scope here)
>>
>>                                         This might seem like
>>                                         over-simplifying or
>>                                         distorting matters, but I
>>                                         hope it is useful for more
>>                                         accurate mapping/tagging.
>>
>>                                         I think this does not
>>                                         contradict the concerns
>>                                         raised in Fahad’s article J:
>>
>>                                         “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT,
>>                                         however focuses on capturing
>>                                         the conceptual content of a
>>                                         lexicon, that is, it takes a
>>                                         primarily lexical view of
>>                                         lexical resources… Hence
>>                                         there is no conflict here
>>                                         between the demands of
>>                                         fidelity to the text in its
>>                                         lexical view and the text in
>>                                         its editorial and
>>                                         typographical view as there
>>                                         is in TEI; lemon simply
>>                                         prioritises the former.”
>>
>>                                         “…a proper encoding of
>>                                         citations attesting to
>>                                         lexical properties must take
>>                                         into consideration at least
>>                                         two different kinds of
>>                                         conceptual entity: citations
>>                                         and attestations”
>>
>>                                         Best,
>>
>>                                         Ilan
>>
>>                                     -- 
>>
>>                                     Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>
>>                                     AG Semantic Computing
>>
>>                                     Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive
>>                                     Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>
>>                                     Universität Bielefeld
>>
>>                                     Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>
>>                                     Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>
>>                                     Mail:
>>                                     cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>                                     <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>>
>>                                     Office CITEC-2.307
>>
>>                                     Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>
>>                                     33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>
>>                                     Germany
>>
>>                             -- 
>>
>>                             Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>
>>                             AG Semantic Computing
>>
>>                             Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive
>>                             Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>
>>                             Universität Bielefeld
>>
>>                             Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>
>>                             Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>
>>                             Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>                             <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>>
>>                             Office CITEC-2.307
>>
>>                             Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>
>>                             33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>
>>                             Germany
>>
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>>                         Julia Bosque Gil
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>>
>>                     -- 
>>                     Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>                     Department of Computer Science and Systems
>>                     Engineering
>>                     University of Zaragoza
>>                     http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>
>                     -- 
>                     Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>                     AG Semantic Computing
>                     Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>                     Universität Bielefeld
>
>                     Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>                     Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>                     Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>                     <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>
>                     Office CITEC-2.307
>                     Universitätsstr. 21-25
>                     33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>                     Germany
>
>
>
>                 -- 
>                 Jorge Gracia, PhD
>                 Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>                 University of Zaragoza
>                 http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Jorge Gracia, PhD
>     Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>     University of Zaragoza
>     http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>
>

-- 
Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
AG Semantic Computing
Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
Universität Bielefeld

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