- From: Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:12:38 +0200
- To: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Cc: John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>, Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+B92MtGDHHCRhXgm0NdKQzk==gDofwTHWb=k3coHEKz4nzeUA@mail.gmail.com>
Dear all, I am available today at 13h, so I can chair if Philipp and John cannot join the call. Best, Julia El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 12:00, Philipp Cimiano (< cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>) escribió: > Dear all, > > I am not available today either, sorry. > > Please go ahead without me. > > Greetings, > > Philipp. > > Am 25.06.18 um 11:42 schrieb John McCrae: > > Hi all, > > I won't be able to make it, but if you do make a call, please discuss the > planned face-to-face meeting. > > Thanks, > John > > On 25 June 2018 at 10:11, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote: > >> Hi Fahad, all, >> >> > Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right? >> >> I think so. (However, I cannot be punctual today and will join a bit >> later; sorry about that.) >> >> BTW, I have expanded our set of definitions at >> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 with >> more details, particularly with Fahad's view taken from their Euralex >> paper. @Fahad: please feel free to correct me or to add anything else >> >> Best, >> Jorge >> >> >> El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 10:58, Fahad Khan (<anasfkhan81@gmail.com>) >> escribió: >> >>> Hi everyone >>> Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right? >>> Cheers >>> Fahad >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:10 John McCrae, <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and >>>> have the next call in two weeks on the 25th. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> John >>>> >>>> On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Philipp, all, >>>>> >>>>> I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki ( >>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST >>>>> ). >>>>> >>>>> Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation" >>>>> at https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 >>>>> (feel free to add/modify anything) >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (< >>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>) escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am >>>>>> travelling and that I can not attend. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of >>>>>> the concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition: >>>>>> >>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves >>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense). >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going >>>>>> in detail through the examples provided by Fahad. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Philipp. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Philipp, all, >>>>>> >>>>>> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (< >>>>>> jbosque@fi.upm.es>) escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (< >>>>>>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Katrien >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lic. Katrien Depuydt >>>>>>>> senior onderzoeker/taalkundige >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> senior researcher/linguist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +31 (0)71 527 2479 +31 (0)6 53627318 / kamer 104 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> */instituut voor de Nederlandse taal/* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rapenburg 61 / 2311 GJ / Leiden >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Postbus 6515 / 2300 RA / Leiden >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ivdnt.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This message shall not constitute any obligations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This message is intended solely for the addressee. >>>>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please >>>>>>>> inform us and delete the message. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com] >>>>>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40 >>>>>>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org >>>>>>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ilan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Fahad, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference >>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and >>>>>>>> the definitions of attestation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, >>>>>>>> but I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, >>>>>>>> Ilan, Katrien, etc.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Philipp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Philipp, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Fahad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano < >>>>>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks for this Ilan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available >>>>>>>> for the next two weeks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves >>>>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we >>>>>>>> continue our discussion on attestation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Talk to you later, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Philipp. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> · A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); >>>>>>>> it may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or >>>>>>>> (ii) not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without >>>>>>>> its actual *citation*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but >>>>>>>> the latter is not preceded by a *citation*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> · An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is >>>>>>>> human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short >>>>>>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general >>>>>>>> patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – >>>>>>>> but that is probably beyond the scope here) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I >>>>>>>> hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s >>>>>>>> article J: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the >>>>>>>> conceptual content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view >>>>>>>> of lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands >>>>>>>> of fidelity to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial >>>>>>>> and typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the >>>>>>>> former.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties >>>>>>>> must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual >>>>>>>> entity: citations and attestations” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ilan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. >>>>>>>> Het bericht is alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerde. >>>>>>>> Indien het bericht niet voor u is bestemd, verzoeken wij >>>>>>>> u dit aan ons te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This message shall not constitute any obligations. >>>>>>>> This message is intended solely for the addressee. >>>>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please >>>>>>>> inform us and delete the message. >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julia Bosque Gil >>>>>>> PhD Student >>>>>>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> >>>>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial >>>>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering >>>>>> University of Zaragoza >>>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>>> >>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>>>> Germany >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering >>>>> University of Zaragoza >>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Jorge Gracia, PhD >> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering >> University of Zaragoza >> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel: +49 521 106 12249 > Fax: +49 521 106 6560 > Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > -- Julia Bosque Gil PhD Student Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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