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Re: citations etc

From: Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:52:45 +0200
Message-ID: <CAK+N+9ii-jty5J+VU3B1tEhgpRg3vxTSxmoOODb83LJJoUyk=A@mail.gmail.com>
To: John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
Cc: Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
Dear Philipp,
Will you be available to chair?
Cheers,
Fahad

On 25 June 2018 at 11:42, John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I won't be able to make it, but if you do make a call, please discuss the
> planned face-to-face meeting.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On 25 June 2018 at 10:11, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fahad, all,
>>
>> > Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>>
>> I think so. (However, I cannot be punctual today and will join a bit
>> later; sorry about that.)
>>
>> BTW, I have expanded our set of definitions at
>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 with
>> more details, particularly with Fahad's view taken from their Euralex
>> paper. @Fahad: please feel free to correct me or to add anything else
>>
>> Best,
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>> El lun., 25 jun. 2018 a las 10:58, Fahad Khan (<anasfkhan81@gmail.com>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>> Just to confirm. There's a call at 1300 cet today right?
>>> Cheers
>>> Fahad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 13:10 John McCrae, <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and
>>>> have the next call in two weeks on the 25th.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Philipp, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki  (
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2
>>>>> 018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation"
>>>>> at https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018
>>>>> (feel free to add/modify anything)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>
>>>>> El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<
>>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am
>>>>>> travelling and that I can not attend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of
>>>>>> the concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves
>>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going
>>>>>> in detail through the examples provided by Fahad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Philipp, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<
>>>>>> jbosque@fi.upm.es>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
>>>>>>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Katrien
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>>>>>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>>>>>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Fahad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference
>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and
>>>>>>>> the definitions of attestation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available,
>>>>>>>> but I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad,
>>>>>>>> Ilan, Katrien, etc.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Fahad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <
>>>>>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available
>>>>>>>> for the next two weeks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves
>>>>>>>> that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we
>>>>>>>> continue our discussion on attestation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Talk to you later,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Philipp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text);
>>>>>>>> it may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or
>>>>>>>> (ii) not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without
>>>>>>>> its actual *citation*.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but
>>>>>>>> the latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is
>>>>>>>> human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>>>>>>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general
>>>>>>>> patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding –
>>>>>>>> but that is probably beyond the scope here)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I
>>>>>>>> hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s
>>>>>>>> article J:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the
>>>>>>>> conceptual content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view
>>>>>>>> of lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands
>>>>>>>> of fidelity to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial
>>>>>>>> and typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the
>>>>>>>> former.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties
>>>>>>>> must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual
>>>>>>>> entity: citations and attestations”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ilan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julia Bosque Gil
>>>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>>>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>>>>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>>>>> University of Zaragoza
>>>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>>> AG Semantic Computing
>>>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>>> Universität Bielefeld
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>>>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>>>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office CITEC-2.307
>>>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>>>>> Germany
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>>>>> University of Zaragoza
>>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>> University of Zaragoza
>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>
>
>
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